Would PCGS Slab This 1914-D With Scratch?

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BuffaloIronTail
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This 1914-D Lincoln is a nice coin except for the scratch. Would PCGS (or anyone) encapsulate it or would it get a details grade?

It's a nice coin otherwise.

Pete

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  • coinbuf
    coinbuf Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It should only be slabbed in a details holder, but there is no way to say for sure. I'm sure there is a basement slabber somewhere that would slab it.

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  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    i think probably if it isn't a fresh scratch but is there really any incentive to even try in that grade?

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  • BuffaloIronTail
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    The only reason I ask, is because Key coins usually get a "pass" on stuff like this, though not necessarily to the extent of the above.

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  • BuffaloIronTail
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    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    i think probably if it isn't a fresh scratch but is there really any incentive to even try in that grade?

    It's a $250.00 coin in that grade (looks VF to me). So I think it's worth the expense.

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  • braddick
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    Even if it slabs the buyer will still see the scratch.

  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    @BuffaloIronTail said:

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    i think probably if it isn't a fresh scratch but is there really any incentive to even try in that grade?

    It's a $250.00 coin in that grade (looks VF to me). So I think it's worth the expense.

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  • MasonG
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    My copy of ANA Grading Standards includes this for VF20:

    Surfaces are attractive and free of serious blemishes, erosion, nicks or scratches.

    FWIW...

  • VanHalen
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    I'd like to see the reverse.

  • Walkerfan
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    No way it should straight grade. JMHO.

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  • TomB
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    That's a nice looking coin, but is that a continuous scratch into the coat? If it's shallow and old and only shows up at some angles I could see it in a straight-grade holder, but if it's not all three of those then I think it is sunk.

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  • BuffaloIronTail
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    @VanHalen said:
    I'd like to see the reverse.

    OK Here it is:

    Pete

    P.S. The obverse die is also one of the better struck dies for 1914-D. It can be identified by a die crack from the front of Lincoln's coat to the rim.

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  • PerryHall
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    Would it make sense to send it to one of the less expensive second tier grading services such a ANACS or ICG to get it slabbed for authenticity purposes? The 1914-D cent has been very heavily counterfeited and a raw example would be more difficult to sell.

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  • lilolme
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    @TomB said:
    That's a nice looking coin, but is that a continuous scratch into the coat? If it's shallow and old and only shows up at some angles I could see it in a straight-grade holder, but if it's not all three of those then I think it is sunk.

    That sums up what I was thinking. Photos can definitely be deceptive. It doesn't look that deep and this by comparing to the contact mark and then noticing that it appear to stop and start. Yes it could have depth and stop and start. However, it does not appear to be extra old as the color is different (accurate?).

    Enlargement just showing the stop and start and nearby contact mark.

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  • Omegaraptor
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    If this was a 14-S it would almost certainly slab details. A 14-D might have a chance at sliding by though.

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  • TR
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    I use ANACS for circulated coins in the $150-$300 price range so you might try them. They usually grade them in less than a month also.

  • [Deleted User]
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    I am curious after reading this post, wouldn't it be worth it to let this coin tone out for a while?
    I am thinking that scratches will just blend in as it looks pretty recent.
    Although I could be wrong.

  • Klif50
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    In the old days a dab of Dellers Darkner applied to both sides and it would have a choice VF price tag on the 2x2.

  • ricko
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    That cent might be worth a try at submission.... The pictures look 'worst case', and in hand, it may not be as prominent. JMO.... Cheers, RickO

  • streeter
    streeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Doubtful by PCGS in straight grade. And $50 and months of waiting.

    Try another less expensive grader. Tons of counterfeits on 14-D.

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  • BillJones
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    A scratch like that usually draws a "details holder." It's shame because the mark looks fresh.

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  • 291fifth
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    The scratch is in a highly visible area and the coin belongs in a details holder.

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  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Rather than speculate or worry about that would just blow it out on the bay as is. Start at 99c plus shipping?

    Spending money on grading costs for that? Not how I operate. The scratch has ruined it.

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  • BryceM
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    If you bought a coin in a straight-grade VF20 holder and it had that scratch would you be happy?

  • BuffaloIronTail
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    @BryceM said:
    If you bought a coin in a straight-grade VF20 holder and it had that scratch would you be happy?

    If I bought it, I'd say that it didn't bother me. I would be "happy" to have the coin.

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  • mr1931S
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    Appears to me to be a staple scratch. I really don't understand why collectors don't just cut the holder inside the staple with a scissor to get the coin out of its cardboard holder. Makes no sense to try and fiddle with staple removal. An otherwise nice coin ruined by a careless collector or dealer. :'(

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    @Omegaraptor said:
    If this was a 14-S it would almost certainly slab details. A 14-D might have a chance at sliding by though.

    Almost zero chance of sliding by.

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  • streeter
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    The best way that I know of to release a coin from a 2×2 is to puncture the mylar with a lead pencil. Press the coin out. It's hard to scratch a coin with graphite.

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  • Clackamas1
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    ooof staple scratch - maybe. Your best bet is to take it out and pocket it to make it look more period. It may take a decade but if that was period I would say yes.

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  • BUFFNIXX
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    details grade for sure but still a nice coin

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