PCGS and Fred Weinberg certify unique 2000-D Sacagawea South Carolina Quarter Mule!
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Wow! A unique South Carolina Sacagawea Mule has been certified by PCGS and authenticated by Fred! What an incredible coin and discovery!
Great to see Fred authenticating again!
@FredWeinberg Does this mean you can't stay away from coins and have come out of retirement? 
Here's the info:
- CoinWorld Article: 2000-D dollar-quarter mule certified by PCGS
- Cert: https://www.pcgs.com/cert/44222112
Paul Gilkes wrote on June 10, 2022
Twenty-two years after its production at the Denver Mint, the only known example of a double-denomination mule error coin featuring a Sacagawea dollar obverse and the reverse of a South Carolina State quarter dollar has been authenticated and certified as genuine by Professional Coin Grading Service.PCGS graded the mule coin as Mint State 64.
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The grading service shipped the coin to error coin specialist Fred Weinberg for his professional opinion.Weinberg confirmed to Coin World June 8 that the coin was struck on a dollar coin planchet weighing 8.1 grams, the standard for the dollar coins, and measuring 26.5 millimeters, with a plain edge.
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Weinberg said he saw no evidence that would suggest the mule error was made from two separate coins united into one.Weinberg said that, since the diameter of the quarter dollar die is smaller than that of the dollar planchet, the strike resulting from the quarter dollar die would exhibit the appearance of a double rim.
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Mint employee shenanigans.
Interesting that they are just reporting this now. This was discussed here back in February.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1071607/2000-d-sacagawea-dollar-muled-with-south-carolina-quarter-reverse#latest
Edit: What a phenomenal modern coin, regardless of origins.
What a beautiful coin 🥰
You get my vote.
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Way cool 😎
Due to the pandemic, the mail was slow...
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What an interesting find.... We never seem to get the backstory on items like this. Was it found in change? A mint bag of dollars? Inquiring minds want to know. Cheers, RickO
probably found in a mint employee's pocket
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Not familiar enough with how the machinery works, could the employee produce one, or would they have to run a small batch? Could there potentially be a few more in mint-sewn bags?
Fred’s a legend. Nice to know he is still available when PCGS comes up with a discovery coin or special situation.
Thanks! It's good to be back!
I just updated the photos in the OP so go take a look again if you wish
That is a really neat coin and I don't even collect that series.
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I love the coin, but how in the world is it legal to own? It had to be deliberately produced by a shady mint employee. It is an error that was intentionally produced with the knowledge that it would demand a high premium for ownership. As seen solely in this thread, it’s generating a lot of interest and will certainly generate a huge profit. Am I missing something here??? Someone please explain.
100% agree, should be destroyed.
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Along with the 1913 Liberty nickels?
Midnight minters struck again! Pun intended.
Nice coin.
I bet it might has more than one coin, this might not be just one person's job so they need to create more to share the profit.
@coinbuf No problem, I'm on it.
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Beautiful
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Don’t get me wrong, it is a beautiful coin. But this hound dog smells a green paper trail?
There are a number of the coins that we designate as Patterns that were minted specifically for collectors and perhaps for other spurious reasons. In the 1800s many were made retroactively to make copper sets, etc. This happened a lot during the 1870s under Director Linderman. In fact, right after his original sale by Lyman Low in 1885 , many lots were seized by the US government and were resold later by Scott as they were not authorized or recognized.
This coin has been certified as an error and we have no background on if it was intentional or not. I have a coin that for 20 years was felt to be a pattern piece that subsequently was determined to be an error also minted on an incorrect planchet. So in this case all we can do is speculate and very well many never know whether it was intentional or not.
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As with this coin, I’m sure there’s a statute of limitations that applies.
Just did a little more reading on this and there are more than 20 Sacagewea/washington mules, this is one of the finest known examples, although perhaps not as unique as originally thought
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Not just the 1913 Liberty Head Nickels
Also the 2 Pan Pac Halves struck on cut down $20 St.G.😉
Nice looking coin.
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Why not destroy all rare coins just in case a Mint employee made them on purpose?
Yes, very interesting timing! Seems like PCGS knew about the coin back in February when it added the CoinFacts entry but it seems like the coin was first confirmed on June 8 when Fred had the call with CoinWorld (with Paul?) which is the same date that Andy mentioned a photo became available on CoinFacts in that thread.
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didn't mint employees make ALL rare coins on purpose.
Yes, and those that were made with the permission of congress and the mint supervisor are perfectly fine. But the side hustle coins that were not authorized by congress not so much.
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Cool coin- anyone know if it’s going into an auction or up for sale?
If you buy this coin in auction can the government confiscate it?
I doubt it as a number of other Sacajawea quarter mules have sold at auction.
Cool coin, like all midnight mined coins they are interesting. I wish they made a couple hundred though!
If it is safe to buy, I would consider bid on it if it show up in auction.
Also, with this much press, if the government really wanted it, they would go for it before it sold, like the 1974-D aluminum cent. But as mentioned, I doubt they would go for this given they’ve let all the other ones sell.
If they wanted too, I'm sure the government could claim ownership of all U.S. coins and confiscate them. I think the only time that that has been done on a large scale was in 1933, though, and it wasn't that bad.
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Absolutely an amazing coin
I did not know this coin even existed!!!
That is one of the main reasons that I love error coins, you never know what will show up next.
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You disappeared for a while and came back to start another great thread. Thanks. The coin is really great and the discussion is very interesting. I enjoy it very much.
or would they charge you $1.25 to monetize it.
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per either the recent hansen video thread or the nnc collection i started, one of them stated it happened also the in 1830s or so which may have resulted partially to the rarity of the 1822 $5.
Whaaaaa!?!
This is nuts, the fun kind of nuts lol!
Time for me to start opening some of my old Sac rolls again
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1830s, 1930s... Maybe the government confiscates large sums of coins every century? Look out for the 2030s.
Young Numismatist
I have a favorite word for the many decades of US Mint made for collector error coins:
SHENANIGANS !
Don't try to understand these made for collector coins, do not be bothered whether its wrongly struck in gold, or the many muled dies for several die pairs, or wonder about the many just so cool naturals riddled out of coinage production stream and then obviously spirited out, snuck out the our all USA Mints:
ALL are SHENANIGANS!!!
I love collecting but have acquired just a just few assisted made for collector coins.
Whereas some dealers of such material have pounds available for 50 years, slowly leaking as years & decades go bye bye.
All are legal, so enjoy your 1913 Liberty Nickels ! Do explain to me how one 1913
Philly Mint employee owned and sold all 5, please... How many 1804 dollars were struck in 1804 ? Patterns ? Seriously everyone knows
the Mints leaked collector coins and still do...
The more you know, the more you know...
I always got the impression you really like these from the coins that you own and the ones you asked Ron Landis to make.
I do
Is this a "coin" if there's no denomination?
I know the collecting community may call it a coin but it seems the government and coin collecting community have different definitions of some things.