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BillJones
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I just received the three piece Negro Leagues Baseball set. I was very disappointed.

In the old days, these sets came in a nice velvet covered holder. Now it's in cheap cardboard.

The biggest disappointment was quality of the coins. The half dollar had die polishing marks in the left field. You can see a hint of them in this photo of both sides.

Here at the die polish marks when the coin is viewed at an angle.

The $5 gold coin had struck-though marks and scratches on the revere. My photo makes them look worse than when you see the coin in person, but the struck-though in the center is visible with the naked eye.

I guess the time has come to stop buying mint products. All they do is raise the prices and put out shoddy work. The last Mint Director, who recently resigned, was "collector hostile and flipper friendly." I have not cluttered my mind with his name because remembering it would be counterproductive. Maybe the next guy will do better, but if these coins are any indicator, he has a lot of improving to do.

Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?

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  • QE Guy
    QE Guy Posts: 309 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    are you sure that the "die polish marks" aren't supposed to be part of the design?

  • Hydrant
    Hydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That $5 gold piece is......not good.

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @QE Guy said:
    are you sure that the "die polish marks" aren't supposed to be part of the design?

    They didn't show in the pictures the mint posted of the coins.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • Crusty
    Crusty Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not a very attractive coins to begin with. Plus the subject matter may not appeal to a lot of coin collectors. Add on quality control issues and we might be in for some very low mintages.

  • hfjacinto
    hfjacinto Posts: 918 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The US Mint used the same cheap packaging on the 2021 Morgan and Peace and the numismatic ASE. Its a let down from the mint.

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  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @QE Guy said:
    are you sure that the "die polish marks" aren't supposed to be part of the design?

    Someone on another shite showed the lines in the left field, so I guess they officially part of the design.

    That leaves the $5 gold piece as the defective coin.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • QE Guy
    QE Guy Posts: 309 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BillJones said:

    @QE Guy said:
    are you sure that the "die polish marks" aren't supposed to be part of the design?

    They didn't show in the pictures the mint posted of the coins.

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Crusty said:
    Not a very attractive coins to begin with. Plus the subject matter may not appeal to a lot of coin collectors. Add on quality control issues and we might be in for some very low mintages.

    Yes, but will many collectors care? History says, "NO."

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @QE Guy said:
    are you sure that the "die polish marks" aren't supposed to be part of the design?

    They look like part of the design to me.

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  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @PerryHall said:

    @QE Guy said:
    are you sure that the "die polish marks" aren't supposed to be part of the design?

    They look like part of the design to me.

    I agree now. The coin is not defective.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • lilolme
    lilolme Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BillJones said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @QE Guy said:
    are you sure that the "die polish marks" aren't supposed to be part of the design?

    They look like part of the design to me.

    I agree now. The coin is not defective.

    So is it still a 'no go' for mint products? Or is the gold enough to swing the 'no more' vote?

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  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm paying the big money for the gold coin, and it's defective. It will cost me money to send it back and spin the roulette wheel again to see if I get decent coins. I don’t expect to get PR-70s, but I would certainly expect to get a PR-69 or even a 68.

    Years ago, the mint did a much better job with the commemorative coins, UNLESS you bought something during the “last chance” sale. Then, you stood a good chance of the getting the rejects others had returned.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @lilolme said:

    @BillJones said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @QE Guy said:
    are you sure that the "die polish marks" aren't supposed to be part of the design?

    They look like part of the design to me.

    I agree now. The coin is not defective.

    So is it still a 'no go' for mint products? Or is the gold enough to swing the 'no more' vote?

    If Bill is like me, he'll be very selective what he buy from the US Mint in the future.

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  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    All I want now is the annual Proof set in silver. My local dealer used to buy them, but I'm not sure he does any more, given the ridiculous price the mint changes for them now. Last year, they sold three less silver coins for the same price. :/

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  • rip_f
    rip_f Posts: 368 ✭✭✭✭
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    I have never received a defective proof coin from the mint in 40 years. The claim of defects on a mirrored surface coin, based on a photo taken through a cheap plastic capsule, is not quite fair. You may have received the exception, but I hope not.

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @rip_f said:
    I have never received a defective proof coin from the mint in 40 years. The claim of defects on a mirrored surface coin, based on a photo taken through a cheap plastic capsule, is not quite fair. You may have received the exception, but I hope not.

    No, I looked at the $5 with a 10X glass. The worst mark in the center of the reverse is on the surface of the coin and reflects off the plastic. Ditto for the lesser marks. If you have not received a defective Proof coin from the mint in 40 years, lucky you! I have received pieces with fingerprints, laminations, scratches and spots, most often on the presidential dollars.

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  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,072 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BillJones said:

    @QE Guy said:
    are you sure that the "die polish marks" aren't supposed to be part of the design?

    They didn't show in the pictures the mint posted of the coins.

    This artist renditions aren't ever very good. It looks like part of the design to me, also.

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  • coinsarefun
    coinsarefun Posts: 21,781 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Extremely disappointing

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  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A lot of the mint fiascos shifted (thankfully) my focus to other less modern topics a few years ago. I never looked back. The quality is poor and the prices outrageous.

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  • BryceM
    BryceM Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The subject is worthy. The designs are terrible. What a waste of precious metals. Sorry about the $5.

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BillJones ... Too bad about that gold coin.... I would send it back. I only received one defective ASE from the Mint, back in the mid 90's. I sent it back, got a 'perfect' one in return. Good luck, Cheers, RickO

  • RYK
    RYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Hydrant said:
    That $5 gold piece is......not good.

    Agree. Looks more like UNC details, net AU ;)

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