Well, this is interesting. And different.
dcarr
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I recently acquired this oddball. I have come to my own conclusion about it. I will let other folks make their comments before I reveal mine. About 18mm diameter. 2.5 grams.
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Dime struck with counterfeit quarter eagle dies.
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Very unusual. Contemporary counterfeit quarter eagle, overstruck on a genuine dime, once gilt.
I can't make out the original date on the dime but it might be figure-out-able in hand.
I wonder if it was successfully passed into circulation?
I await the input of @dcarr.... That one is a strange one indeed. Cheers, RickO
Oh My!
Racketeer Dime
Gilded to deceive and looks like it worked.
bob
Cool!
I cannot even venture a guess.
Let us know what the verdict is.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
At first I could only see the E's of the under type as small C's.. was thinking a CWT or something as the undertype..
That's a super cool counterfeit all day long!
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Definitely a contemporary counterfeit, from hand-cut dies. I have an 1853 three cent piece with very similar looking 5 in the date. No idea why it was struck over a contemporary dime, maybe to test the dies before wasting a plated gold planchet?
That is honestly kind of awesome, I would love to know the story behind it.
Sean Reynolds
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Any way to determine if there's any gold rinse still on the surfaces? Peace Roy
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Wow! That is super cool. I love the recut "8" in the date, and the stylization of the "5".
Recut "8"! Doesn't that make it an "ERROR" and worth a fortune?
Seriously, a very interesting and unusual item.
The 1851 $2 1/2 gilded brass is one of the most commonly encountered contemporary struck counterfeits. It's often listed as a game counter in error as neither Kurth nor Fuld & Rulau included the 1851 in their works on game counters. That die pair has traveled around.
Interesting piece. I noticed the OP mentioned the weight and diameter but nothing else...
@PerryHall and @jonathanb pegged it right off. Not too difficult if you realize that the apparent "CO" on the cheek is actually part of an upside-down "DIME". It is a vintage counterfeit die strike on a genuine US Mint silver Seated Liberty Dime. I don't think I have seen any other situations where vintage counterfeit dies are struck on a genuine US coin. This specimen appears to have a little bit of gilding still there, around the periphery. So it is likely that this piece was intended to be spent at the "up-rated" $2.50 face value, and it is possible that it circulated alongside genuine money for a time.
I do not know the history or pedigree of this specimen, except that it was purchased from a seller located in France, and shipped to me from there.
This picture is a close-up of what I can make out of the original date. Note that the original design elements are flattened and spread out significantly. My conclusion is that the host coin was dated "1849". I do not see any trace of a mint mark, so I believe it was a Philadelphia coin.
New Orleans dimes of this era have the mint mark ABOVE the wreath (below the word "DIME").
I see no evidence of an "O" at that location. So I believe this is an 1849 Philadelphia host coin.