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1913 Type 1 Buffalo, Straight Grade or Details. GTG
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I don't believe I've posted this coin before. I've had it since at least this spring. The coin was in a random also ran TPG holder. I picked it up with a bunch of other interesting but low-end coins at the local 'Friendly gun and pawn.'
The slab had it listed as a 'very' aspirational MS67.
I cracked it out, and it's currently at our host. I'm really hoping for a straight grade, but I'm afraid I will get a Details.
What do you guys think?
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There is something about it that just looks off in these photos. It may just be the photos but I would guess that it will not, perhaps in hand I would think differently.
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Looks very well struck and mint state. Luster appears off. Did it look cleaned in hand? If not, I dont see why it would not grade at least MS65, if not better.
Looks like it was struck from proof dies. It’s a high end gem for sure, I’d guess 66.
it looks a little toned or bronzy to me but the rims have a bit of discoloration that I'm worried may be environmental damage.
I took a ton of pics of it and some of the other coins I grabbed that day.
Looked whizzed from those photos. Good luck and be sure to let us know the results.
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I will, I agree, but (as a complete novice in these things), how could you tool it and still leave those details?
I've been searching high and low for the holder I cracked it out from. I can't remember who it was, but when I researched them, it was a company known for straight grading problem coins.
Edit to add: Found it. it was slabbed by National Numismatic Certification.
It just looks off.
It's a well struck coin that has been clashed, and the reverse die shows the reworking that was done to remove the clash marks.
The reverse die is also a Late Die State, as evidenced by the flow lines near the rim.
Type I Nickels were also plagued by small die cracks due to the rough features that the fields present. It's usually most evident on the denomination and mound area, including the field between the Buffalos' legs.
The edge should be sharp on Proofs, and chamfered on circulation strikes.
If it was Whizzed, the die crack through the TY in LIBERTY, and what looks like cracks on the reverse near T and F would not show.
It looks like a 66 coin to me, and it should holder.
Pete
Looks like a nice type 1 buffalo to me. My guess is that it will grade at MS65.
I'm not even 100% convinced it's genuine.
My gut feeling is that is a high quality fake. The relief just does not look like what I am used to seeing on a 1913 Type I nickel.
If it is a fake it signals another jump in quality much as was seen in the 1799 dollar in another thread.
Second set of photos has a whizzed look to it to me also, but maybe it’s the images.
I will say MS65 and it looks authentic. Interesting surface quality though....Cheers, RickO
I think that you would be Lucky to get a MS65 on this coin Buffs are tough to grade but I would not Trust any NNC certification Grade anyway. hope our Host gives you a Good Grade either way nice Buff.
It looks like a late die state reverse paired with a relatively early die state obverse, note the field erosion difference. The strike is average, luster appears pretty good which is probably why Nancy gave it such a lofty grade. It looks like a 65 in my opinion.
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What exact holder was it in? If it was the old PCI, those aren't bad. What I'm asking for is, if it were in the PCI. It surely might pass as a straight grade? To me, the coin looks legit for our Host to give it a ms 6? grade. Good Luck
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Need to see it in hand, but if you are asking there is some doubt. There are a lot of them around for the money it cost to get them graded send in a banging one with no problems.
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The reason I'm sending in some of this stuff is to learn, I'm really curious as to what it comes back with. In hand, the coin looks great.
You guys have taught me a ton in this thread. Now we wait
I do have a couple of coins in the old PCI holders from the same shopping trip that I may crack out soon and send in.
I'll make a new thread for those.
I see nothing at all that would lead me to believe that it’s a problem coin. On the contrary, I believe it’s a super well stuck type one that should grade no lower than a 65 from the photos.
I'm not sure I've seen a Type I Buffalo with "LIBERTY" as well-struck as that.
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Crazyhounddog speaks the truth.
He knows his buffs too!
He expressed my sentiment perfectly when I looked at the photos.
I’ve picked up a few of these raw on The Bay over the years, and though some appeared good in the sellers pictures, they most often had issues which were carefully concealed with digital manipulation.
Your second set of photos are good enough to reduce that possibility by a great deal.
Looks like a fine Buff to me!
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I'll definitely go with those who know these coins. . Grading can be an opinion; but with the main grading services who have on staff PNG members there is usually a high level of professionalism. Most of them take a lot of pride on the accuracy of their grading and love of the hobby.
It looks "off" to me also
Can't put my finger on it though.....
It does look off...........
Are you changing your mind? You said "It looks like a 66 coin to me, and it should holder."
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I would send it in as I would need to know. Tough to tell.
Please post the grade when you receive it.
I am not a Buffalo Man, but I do not like the reverse.
From the pictures, it makes me think that it was whizzed but for your sake, I hope it comes back with a high grade.
Wayne
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Looking more closely at both sets of pictures, I am having second thoughts to my previous comments.
The first photos portray the coin with a great strike and surfaces and the second set of photos do bring up some questions on the surfaces. The surface luster seems to be replaced with something else.
I don’t know if it lighting, or some sort of light abrasion, but I now agree that there could be something “off”.
Please do keep us updated on the outcome here.
Thanks
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65+, if the luster/brightness is there, then 66.
Nope. But it does have a different look to it.
Pete
I’d love to know what looks so “off” about it from that crowd.
After seeing the second set of photos, I am afraid it may have been cleaned.
Jim
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Well, my credit card was charged this morning at 4:08 am. Since I was going to bed, I didn't look at the grade until this morning.
Our hosts have graded it as a Type 1 DDR FS-1802 MS66
Pop report currently shows, 2. I guess mine is #3
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1913-5c-type-1-ddr-fs-1802/605980
I'm glad I didn't look before I went to bed, or I'd still be up! lol
Thanks for all the input guys, now I'm gonna be biting my nails waiting for the True View!
That's a great result. Did you request that it be identified as a DDR ?
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Congrats on the grade and the variety! That's a nice one:
http://www.varietyvista.com/03 Buffalo Nickels/1913PDDR002.htm
No, I had no idea. I wasn't even sure it would straight grade!
I bought a whole mess of stuff that day in random holders. I didn't even have my glasses with me and couldn't have seen it had I tried!
Congratulations, I thought the first pics were great, but was worried in the second set of pics. I also want to congratulate you on the super prompt service you got getting it graded. Unreal. Hope mine go through twice as quick as that. Beautiful Buff and a DDR to boot.
Jim
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What tier did you submit it under to get results back in a month?
A DDR too......................
Difficult to see unless you know where to look. The "P" in PLURIBUS is a dead giveaway
Pete.
Oh, I didn't mean to give the wrong impression!
lol 
I sent it back in October. I was sitting around one morning drinking my coffee and thought I'd start a thread and ask what all you guys thought. (I was getting antsy and wanted it back! lol)
It truly is a gorgeous coin in person; it has every attribute of a proof but the sharp edges at the rim. (or at least that's what I came up with after google and a few threads here and around the interwebs)
I'm glad I sent it! I believe I put in the notes, I thought it might be a proof, but I'd take any grade, details or not, because I wasn't sure what it was.
I also told them to charge me whatever I had to pay because I wasn't sure under what service it should have been sent in under.
Maybe they looked closer at it for me because of my notes and that's why it was given that attribute?
Last time I asked you guys about a stunning nickel you guys all told me to save my money.
I had just wanted that other coin in a new holder!
Congratulations my coin brother
I spent all morning scouring over as many photos and reading as much as I could on these and I was like yep! That was it.
Thanks for letting me know for sure!
Man, You have no idea how stoked I am!
Still can't sleep! lol
You scored a home run, congratulations! The naysayers have egg on their faces!
Well, here she is
Congrats on the grade and ddr.
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Well I’ll send you one with out that DDR problem just send it to me, Congratulations you need to buy more coins without you glasses. 😉
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Late to the party but I was gonna say I like Pete’s Assessment at 66.
Then it got even better, congrats on the score!
I will take nothing less than an ASE
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