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  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2021 11:59AM
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    @CommemDude said:
    Pretty Hawaiian quarter to go with the half above:


    Very nice coin! Thanks for posting it!

    It's amazing to think about what the country was like at the time, while some were making the dangerous journey from Texas to Oregon, others were going to Hawaii.

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  • jt88
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  • Zoins
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    edited December 29, 2021 9:36PM
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    @oldabeintx said:

    @jt88 said:

    Great trade dollars!

    It's very interesting that these were issued after China was forced to open their market after losing the Opium Wars. While Hawaii was on its path to joining the US, opium was being sold to the Chinese by the UK. I'm guessing the merchants were fine with these but I wonder what the government thought of these flowing into the country. I'm talking of the circulation versions of course.

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  • jt88
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    edited December 30, 2021 2:41PM
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    @Zoins said:

    @oldabeintx said:

    @jt88 said:

    Great trade dollars!

    It's very interesting that these were issued after China was forced to open their market after losing the Opium Wars. While Hawaii was on its path to joining the US, opium was being sold to the Chinese by the UK. I'm guessing the merchants were fine with these but I wonder what the government thought of these flowing into the country. I'm talking of the circulation versions of course.

    I read Chinese merchants loved Mexican silver dollar for its high silver content. This is from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The high regard in which these coins came to be held, led to the minting of the silver Chinese yuan, a coin designed to resemble the Spanish one. These Chinese "dragon dollars" not only circulated in China, but together with original coins of Spanish-Mexican origin became the preferred currency of trade between China and its neighbours. Defeated in the First Opium War, China was forced to open its ports to foreign trade, and in the late half of the 19th Century Western nations trading with China found it cheaper and more expedient to mint their own coins, from their own supplies of silver, than to continue to use coins from Mexican sources. These so-called trade dollars would approximate in specification, weight 7 mace and 2 candareens (approx. 27.2 grams; 7⁄8 troy ounce) and fineness .900 (90%), the Spanish-Mexican coins so long trusted and valued in China.

  • jt88
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    edited December 30, 2021 2:28PM
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    I bought a lot of Japan Yen when no one wanted them a couple of years ago. I loved the design and started buying them in 2016. I accumulated over 200 of them in just two years starting from 0. Then there was the boom of Chinese coin prices in 2019. The rising tide lifted all of the boats. I started selling them. Now I still have some but not many.

  • dbldie55
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    @Dscoin said:
    It’s been a good show so far. Doesn’t hurt that I watch Yellowstone either.

    Yellowstone does not seem to be filmed near "Yellowstone", but in the western half of the state.

    I think of it taking place on the CUT ranch north of the park.

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  • MsMorrisine
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    closely related!
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  • TurtleCat
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    edited January 20, 2022 9:18AM
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    Edit: Lol, didn't realize I posted the same pic twice...

  • Zoins
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    edited January 20, 2022 9:19AM
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    @ZoidMeister said:

    1883 Knights Templar Triennial Conclave Medal - U.S. Mint


    1883 Mary Commandery - Knights Templar San Francisco Pilgramage Medal


    Wow, this is cool! Great piece @ZoidMeister!

    I have the US Mint brass one but I've never seen this one before.

    The vine with thorns is great. Any idea where it's from and what it symbolizes?

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  • ZoidMeister
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    The symbology is definitively Catholic, although the medal also shares some Masonic symbology. This piece was made for the Mary Commandery of the Knights Templar. Roses are a common theme referencing Christ's mother, Mary. The thorns are representative of Jesus's passion, death, and resurrection.

    I am not sure of the relationship between the Knights Templar organization and the Masons. Perhaps it is akin to the Shriner's and Masons (all Shriner's are Masons, but not all Masons are Shriner's).

    More interesting are the images on the shield and cross on the obverse.

    There is the Masonic scale, a Jewish star, the lamb & cross, two banners, it's not the iron cross, but similar, and the intertwined M & C.

    The Masonic scale, Jewish star, and lamb & cross are fairly well understood symbols. Now that you question it, I need to do a bit more research on the "iron cross" (what it is attributed to) and the banners. I believe the intertwined M & C reference Mary and Christ relationship as redeemer and "co-redemptress."

    Perhaps @haw68 might stop by and offer some additional insights to this piece?

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    @Zoins said:

    @ZoidMeister said:

    1883 Knights Templar Triennial Conclave Medal - U.S. Mint


    1883 Mary Commandery - Knights Templar San Francisco Pilgramage Medal


    Wow, this is cool! Great piece @ZoidMeister!

    I have the US Mint brass one but I've never seen this one before.

    The vine with thorns is great. Any idea where it's from and what it symbolizes?

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  • Zoins
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    edited January 30, 2022 10:23AM
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    Okay, so I'm very curious.

    They said they are going from Texas to Salt Lake City. What route will they take? Will they go through Colorado, like my GAR medal above? Obviously not Denver, but anywhere in Colorado would be interesting. Also, will they go through Nevada at all?

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  • derryb
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    Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat

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  • Zoins
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    edited January 30, 2022 1:40PM
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    An amazing thing is in the episode something is purchased for $50. Gives a sense of what one of the proposed 1877 half unions would have been worth.

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  • steveben
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    wow!! lots of nice coins in this thread!

  • Zoins
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    edited April 16, 2022 3:18PM
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    Great date seen here: Was this monster worth the premium it went for?

    1883 Morgan Dollar
    Grade: PCGS MS65 CAC
    Legend Color Scale: 10
    Cert: https://www.pcgs.com/cert/43061576
    Sale: https://legendauctions.hibid.com/lot/101864877/-1-1883-o-pcgs-ms65-cac/

    Laura Sperber said:
    What an ASTOUNDING GEM! WOW, WOW, WOW! This is a MONSTER TONED 83-O, with the most striking NEON blue, green, purple, tangerine, magenta toning that covers the reverse. The colors will leave you gobsmacked. We rate the color a full 10 out of 10 on our color scale. The radiating cartwheel luster further enhances the crisply defined central devices and brings out the superb colors on the reverse dramatically. Bound for the FINEST Toned dollar collections, this is indeed one of the greatest reverse toned dollars we have ever offered. Good luck.


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  • Type2
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    @TheMayor said:
    Now this thread is up my alley, Zoins! I have been working on an 1883 (birth year less 100) proof set for the last few years. I currently have 6 out of the 10 and am trying to stay patient.






    There have been a few misses over the last couple of years as well. I was the underbidder on the Simpson 1C PR67RD (realized $15,600) and the Forsythe Shield 5C PR67+CAM (realized $11,550). Still have some regret but not too much because I think I made pretty strong bids. Also now I don't have to get the Forsythe coin reholdered >:)


    Then of course there were a few absolute stunners auctioned recently that were unfortunately not in the budget: the Newman/Simpson 25C PR69CAM and TDN's Trade Dollar NGC PF69.



    That proof Indian has some date in the denticles.



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  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    @Type2 said:
    That proof Indian has some date in the denticles.

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