Amazing 1802 Dollar Error

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The owner found this in his “very old family coin collection” so I’m sure it’s genuine. I think the $975 shipping cost is a bit excessive, unless he plans to personally deliver the coin anywhere in the USA.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/coin-collectors-dream-take-your-collection-to-the-highest-levels-1801-1802-/373828292301?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

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  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,862 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    He mentions all sorts of professional opinions, but somehow none of them slabbed it. :#

  • burfle23
    burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My off center example:

    The posted one matches the diagnostics of mine and other known counterfeits. I actually wrote a Coin Week article on this "family" of fakes...

    This will be reported and removed.

  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @FredWeinberg said:
    That one has too much MSG !

    Msg? What is it

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Listing has been pulled now.... Thanks for getting a picture....Cheers, RickO

  • vplite99
    vplite99 Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @johnny9434 said:

    @FredWeinberg said:
    That one has too much MSG !

    Msg? What is it

    Accent?

    Vplite99
  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,043 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    don't hear much about its use anymore

    MonoSodium Glutamate

    it's a flavor enhancer

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  • ctf_error_coins
    ctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    3 reasons why it is a fake ...

    1) It looks like a fake
    2) The price is way, way, way off if real, which it is not.
    3) A real coin would be in a TPG

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I have also seen a 1796 half cent over struck on a cut-down large cent planchet. Country of origin was Asia; time struck was at least 2 centuries after the date shown on the disk of metal.

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  • PerryHall
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    @johnny9434 said:

    @FredWeinberg said:
    That one has too much MSG !

    Msg? What is it

    It's MSG which stands for Mono Sodium Glutamate which is a flavor enhancer used in many Chinese dishes.

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  • gumby1234
    gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MSG is used in a lot of food not just Chinese food. It is in many things you buy at the supermarket including soup and peanut butter.

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thanks all

  • alefzero
    alefzero Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Neat counterfeit anyway. No, it does not match any listed die pair. But like $50 + free shipping level of neat.

  • burfle23
    burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The reverse for those who didn't see it.

    Reverse is modeled after the 1799 B-10.

  • Coin Finder
    Coin Finder Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The hand thrown making of a coin in the 18th century would only produce "errors" like these if they were done deliberately. Why would a mint employee do it? The US mint was less than a decade old and error coins were not a thing. Collecting US coins was not a thing. That thinking did not exist.... Making good, struck large coin was hard enough and very very crude compared to today. An off center coin would be more likely and to spare the waste of a nice silver disk, would be put in the stack.

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  • MFeld
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    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    3 reasons why it is a fake ...

    1) It looks like a fake
    2) The price is way, way, way off if real, which it is not.
    3) A real coin would be in a TPG

    While that coin isn’t genuine, many genuine ones are both underpriced and not yet graded. There can be a big difference between red flags (like those you listed) and correct conclusions.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Walkerfan
    Walkerfan Posts: 10,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would steer clear of that one!

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

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