No Denomination Buffalo Nickel - Error or Variety?

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Zoins
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edited October 13, 2021 4:20AM in U.S. Coin Forum

This has a cud from a die chip, but it's very distinctive.

Is this a known variety? Or just an error?

Are the photos of any other specimens? I'd love to see one in mint state!

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Interesting coin... I have not seen any others. Sure stayed in circulation for a long time. Cheers, RickO

  • oih82w8
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    That's a whopper of a cud!

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  • HalfDimeDude
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    It still amazed at some of the real oddities one finds in the hobby. Some so spot on it almost makes you believe that it was man made rather than just wear or a breakdown of the dies or press.
    The cud error has alway eluded me, in my searching of bags and rolls.
    I wish now that I had of saved a few of my better finds. But I will admit that errors as such still so exciting to find and see.
    Especially the circulated coins that have bounced from pocket to pocket for decades before someone tahes a look and realizes that they found a new variety or error.

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  • 291fifth
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    The date is surprisingly strong for a coin with that much wear!

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  • commoncents05
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    This is a known variety. I have one in my collection but I don't have it imaged. I have only seen others in low grades. Here is another on eBay.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/304151054509?hash=item46d0d0c8ad:g:VLkAAOSwgApXCTmp&nma=true&si=%2BjVqgmlyu2OmlW%2BzbtBof0IJyp0%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 13, 2021 6:21AM
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    This is a known variety. I have one in my collection but I don't have it imaged. I have only seen others in low grades. Here is another on eBay.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/304151054509

    -Paul

    Nice info!

    Do you know the variety designation?

    If they are all in low grades, perhaps no one cared about these enough to save them over the years?

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  • MarkKelley
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    @291fifth said:
    The date is surprisingly strong for a coin with that much wear!

    Perhaps the lack of strike pressure at the upper obverse caused a stronger strike on the lower portion? I once had a dateless example with a cud of equal size on the upper obverse die. Maybe the date was weakly struck as a result.

  • Oldhoopster
    Oldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like it could be a slightly later die state of CU-5c-1920-01R as listed on Cuds on Coins

    Pic from the link

    http://cuds-on-coins.com/buffalo-or-indian-head-nickel-cud/

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  • johnny9434
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    I kinda like it

  • WAYNEAS
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    Bison on the hill. lol
    Very interesting find.
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  • braddick
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  • CaptHenway
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    It is a collectible die variety that resulted from a die error. So, both.

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  • jesbroken
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    @Oldhoopster
    Thanks for the Cud info page.
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  • hummingbird_coins
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    @Zoins said:
    This has a cud from a die chip, but it's very distinctive.

    Is this a known variety? Or just an error?

    Are the photos of any other specimens? I'd love to see one in mint state!

    There is a photo of one in David Lange's book on buffalo nickels that may be the very same one. I will check the book once I get back from school :#

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  • FredWeinberg
    FredWeinberg Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Buffalo Nickel Cuds are quite scarce, I've found.

    I've never seen a cud on them above VF or so.

    Never heard or seen a Mint state Buff Cud.

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  • tincup
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    Neat variety. Though listed as 1920 Philadelphia... could be a D or S.... now way to tell!

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  • BuffaloIronTail
    BuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Page 117 of David Langes' "The complete guide to Buffalo Nickels" has a picture of this coin.

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  • crazyhounddog
    crazyhounddog Posts: 14,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don’t care very much for error coins but this one the OP is showing I find interesting.
    Thanks for sharing it.

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  • AMRC
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    Now that be a cud.

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  • joeykoins
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    Yes, like Joe just posted. Very eye catching and beautiful. It's such in a perfect spot. It's like the Mint placed it there, precisely.
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  • koynekwest
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    What appears to be excessive wear on the reverse is accentuated by a very eroded reverse die. This leads me to believe it's from Denver or San Francisco.

  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    i've only ever really seen this die state that i recall. i've seen a good handful or so.

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  • BuffaloIronTail
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    edited October 14, 2021 11:12AM
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    @koynekwest said:
    What appears to be excessive wear on the reverse is accentuated by a very eroded reverse die. This leads me to believe it's from Denver or San Francisco.

    @koynekwest said:
    What appears to be excessive wear on the reverse is accentuated by a very eroded reverse die. This leads me to believe it's from Denver or San Francisco.

    Might even be from San Francisco, given the way the die was basined. Kind of has that "roll" to it.

    It's also clashed, so no doubt the die cracked until after the clash marks were removed.

    Late die state.

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  • koynekwest
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    That it is, Pete. If I were to guess I'd put my money on a 1920-S, too.

  • Steven59
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    That's quite a cud for a buffalo - have never seen that example in person.

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  • hummingbird_coins
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  • vulcanize
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    Thank you all for the info. I was blissfully unaware of such a coin in existence. :)

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  • koynekwest
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    I would call it a die stage variety.

  • Jimnight
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    Nice one!

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