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No Denomination Buffalo Nickel - Error or Variety?

ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 13, 2021 3:20AM in U.S. Coin Forum

This has a cud from a die chip, but it's very distinctive.

Is this a known variety? Or just an error?

Are the photos of any other specimens? I'd love to see one in mint state!

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting coin... I have not seen any others. Sure stayed in circulation for a long time. Cheers, RickO

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a whopper of a cud!

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  • HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It still amazed at some of the real oddities one finds in the hobby. Some so spot on it almost makes you believe that it was man made rather than just wear or a breakdown of the dies or press.
    The cud error has alway eluded me, in my searching of bags and rolls.
    I wish now that I had of saved a few of my better finds. But I will admit that errors as such still so exciting to find and see.
    Especially the circulated coins that have bounced from pocket to pocket for decades before someone tahes a look and realizes that they found a new variety or error.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The date is surprisingly strong for a coin with that much wear!

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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,085 ✭✭✭

    This is a known variety. I have one in my collection but I don't have it imaged. I have only seen others in low grades. Here is another on eBay.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/304151054509?hash=item46d0d0c8ad:g:VLkAAOSwgApXCTmp&nma=true&si=%2BjVqgmlyu2OmlW%2BzbtBof0IJyp0%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 13, 2021 5:21AM

    This is a known variety. I have one in my collection but I don't have it imaged. I have only seen others in low grades. Here is another on eBay.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/304151054509

    -Paul

    Nice info!

    Do you know the variety designation?

    If they are all in low grades, perhaps no one cared about these enough to save them over the years?

  • MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    The date is surprisingly strong for a coin with that much wear!

    Perhaps the lack of strike pressure at the upper obverse caused a stronger strike on the lower portion? I once had a dateless example with a cud of equal size on the upper obverse die. Maybe the date was weakly struck as a result.

  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like it could be a slightly later die state of CU-5c-1920-01R as listed on Cuds on Coins

    Pic from the link

    http://cuds-on-coins.com/buffalo-or-indian-head-nickel-cud/

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I kinda like it

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bison on the hill. lol
    Very interesting find.
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    peacockcoins

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,093 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is a collectible die variety that resulted from a die error. So, both.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,966 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Oldhoopster
    Thanks for the Cud info page.
    Jim


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  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    This has a cud from a die chip, but it's very distinctive.

    Is this a known variety? Or just an error?

    Are the photos of any other specimens? I'd love to see one in mint state!

    There is a photo of one in David Lange's book on buffalo nickels that may be the very same one. I will check the book once I get back from school :#

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Buffalo Nickel Cuds are quite scarce, I've found.

    I've never seen a cud on them above VF or so.

    Never heard or seen a Mint state Buff Cud.

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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,110 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Neat variety. Though listed as 1920 Philadelphia... could be a D or S.... now way to tell!

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Page 117 of David Langes' "The complete guide to Buffalo Nickels" has a picture of this coin.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t care very much for error coins but this one the OP is showing I find interesting.
    Thanks for sharing it.

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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now that be a cud.

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 15,687 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, like Joe just posted. Very eye catching and beautiful. It's such in a perfect spot. It's like the Mint placed it there, precisely.
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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What appears to be excessive wear on the reverse is accentuated by a very eroded reverse die. This leads me to believe it's from Denver or San Francisco.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i've only ever really seen this die state that i recall. i've seen a good handful or so.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 14, 2021 10:12AM

    @koynekwest said:
    What appears to be excessive wear on the reverse is accentuated by a very eroded reverse die. This leads me to believe it's from Denver or San Francisco.

    @koynekwest said:
    What appears to be excessive wear on the reverse is accentuated by a very eroded reverse die. This leads me to believe it's from Denver or San Francisco.

    Might even be from San Francisco, given the way the die was basined. Kind of has that "roll" to it.

    It's also clashed, so no doubt the die cracked until after the clash marks were removed.

    Late die state.

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That it is, Pete. If I were to guess I'd put my money on a 1920-S, too.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's quite a cud for a buffalo - have never seen that example in person.

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  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • vulcanizevulcanize Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you all for the info. I was blissfully unaware of such a coin in existence. :)

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would call it a die stage variety.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice one!

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