If you are really entranced by that "better coins through manipulation" look, $100. It would not be for me.
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Melt for me also. But knowing that I could sell it on eBay for $64.77 (current bid) or more, I guess I would pay $50 and flip it. For my collection-melt, to flip $50. Seems like all coins are hot right now. It could go over $100, who knows, we shall see.
I ask because we're all good with Hobo nickels and Opium (Trade) dollars and other manipulated coins (post mint). I don't know if the above qualifies as a "California Special" but if not, it is close.
We as collectors are cool with some artful coin work yet not with others.
@braddick said:
I ask because we're all good with Hobo nickels and Opium (Trade) dollars and other manipulated coins (post mint). I don't know if the above qualifies as a "California Special" but if not, it is close.
We as collectors are cool with some artful coin work yet not with others.
Apples and oranges. Hobo nickels and opium dollars use a coin as a host to make a new piece of art that is different from the coin. The coin you linked has been altered to look like a better version of itself--there are undamaged examples that are black-and-white cameos (DMPLs) as-made from the Mint; the Mint never carved a buffalo nickel. At some point, the coin you linked was intended to deceive a collector. I think we have a different definition of "artful coin work."
airplanenut: Excellent point. There is a distinction and you clarified exactly what that distinction is well.
Thanks!
(Although I'd only add the argument we are "cool" with contemporary counterfeits (like Bust halves) that were meant to deceive yet they are collected today...)
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Sold it for $67. He’s got half a dozen listing that appear ok. Not for me he’s got a Truman hard to tell him about price couple others. 0 feedback is not comforting
@braddick said:
(Although I'd only add the argument we are "cool" with contemporary counterfeits (like Bust halves) that were meant to deceive yet they are collected today...)
Even then it's not the same. Contemporary counterfeits were made to be used in commerce. However good or bad they were, they are a part of the history of a coin series in the way coins were intended to be used. They weren't made just to deceive collectors. A better comparison would be the Chinese counterfeits of today which we all eschew (beyond those studying them) because their only purpose is to fool a collector. Yes, there are a few rare exceptions like the Omega Saints, but at that point I think the intrigue is that they are just so incredibly good that now you're back in the realm of art and skill.
I would have considered going up to $55 just for the novelty. I've bid around that much for a few Columbian Expo details coins that were interesting to me (where others would likely not see much value).
I would not bid on it ... or buy it if at a show .... It is ruined for collectors. Silver stackers would take it for melt.... I do not understand why anyone would buy it for $67 plus shipping. Cheers, RickO
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If you are really entranced by that "better coins through manipulation" look, $100. It would not be for me.
Melt.
Zero
Maybe just. Little more than melt. I could sell it honestly in my booth for a bit more than melt. It’s already way past where I’d be a bidder.
$40
$45
I agree, melt.
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Melt
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Melt for me also. But knowing that I could sell it on eBay for $64.77 (current bid) or more, I guess I would pay $50 and flip it. For my collection-melt, to flip $50. Seems like all coins are hot right now. It could go over $100, who knows, we shall see.
melt.
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I ask because we're all good with Hobo nickels and Opium (Trade) dollars and other manipulated coins (post mint). I don't know if the above qualifies as a "California Special" but if not, it is close.
We as collectors are cool with some artful coin work yet not with others.
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I once has a very similar coin. It wasn't bad looking but was just off a touch. It's worth a hundo in a nice book or set.
I usually don't bid on items where the seller has -0- feedback and joined ebay last week.
I bet that cameo appearance is a wax job!
Apples and oranges. Hobo nickels and opium dollars use a coin as a host to make a new piece of art that is different from the coin. The coin you linked has been altered to look like a better version of itself--there are undamaged examples that are black-and-white cameos (DMPLs) as-made from the Mint; the Mint never carved a buffalo nickel. At some point, the coin you linked was intended to deceive a collector. I think we have a different definition of "artful coin work."
airplanenut: Excellent point. There is a distinction and you clarified exactly what that distinction is well.
Thanks!
(Although I'd only add the argument we are "cool" with contemporary counterfeits (like Bust halves) that were meant to deceive yet they are collected today...)
peacockcoins
What process is used to smooth surfaces?
My honest top bid would be melt, but then it is not something that I would normally even look at.
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No bid.
$67
If I was hard pressed for silver, I'd pay melt... but I'm not...
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I was going to say $66, so that I won't end up with it!
Cull dollars are $22. Not melt.
77% of 1 oz. silver MELT.
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Sold it for $67. He’s got half a dozen listing that appear ok. Not for me he’s got a Truman hard to tell him about price couple others. 0 feedback is not comforting
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Even then it's not the same. Contemporary counterfeits were made to be used in commerce. However good or bad they were, they are a part of the history of a coin series in the way coins were intended to be used. They weren't made just to deceive collectors. A better comparison would be the Chinese counterfeits of today which we all eschew (beyond those studying them) because their only purpose is to fool a collector. Yes, there are a few rare exceptions like the Omega Saints, but at that point I think the intrigue is that they are just so incredibly good that now you're back in the realm of art and skill.
I would pay 50$ for that all day
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Pass
Its in a holder so...$30.
I’m curious what the person who sent it to PCGS was thinking and expecting.
Reminds me of this tale of woe by Julian. At least the coin in the OP wasn’t worth much to begin with.
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I think the JImTyler post above pretty well answers the question.
Mark
$35
I would have paid $67 for 💩’s and giggles to get a closer look. Like they say it’s all 💩’s and giggles until someone giggles and 💩’s.
I would have considered going up to $55 just for the novelty. I've bid around that much for a few Columbian Expo details coins that were interesting to me (where others would likely not see much value).
That one is not for me. I don't like Morgans in general and I REALLY don't like that one. I might go for it if was considerably below melt.
I’m speculating the buyer will crack it out and then sell it as a raw DMPL or PL. I hope I’m wrong.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen “surfaces smoothed” before. It would be a melt value coin for me.
Melt -10%
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I would not bid on it ... or buy it if at a show .... It is ruined for collectors. Silver stackers would take it for melt.... I do not understand why anyone would buy it for $67 plus shipping. Cheers, RickO
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