P. S. A. after the avalanche

DrA · August 30, 2021 9:07AM

Arrived: 09/09/20 Received: 11/02/20

To me, this prolonged wait is a deterrent. AND when they do open it up for normal business, an avalanche is an understatement. try Supernova, they are created thru implosions.

1951WheatiesPremium · August 30, 2021 10:17AM

A reminder? PSA is open right now and turning around new subs right now. I have heard that Express is about 8 weeks, soup to nuts. There’s plenty of service levels available, too:

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Rofles · August 30, 2021 11:20AM

My express was entered 8/21 and in QA2 8/27. do you mean larger express orders?

1951WheatiesPremium · August 30, 2021 11:54AM

@Rofles said:
My express was entered 8/21 and in QA2 8/27. do you mean larger express orders?

Not exactly? Soup to nuts, in this case, means day sent to PSA to day home from PSA.

Rofles · August 30, 2021 12:46PM

@1951WheatiesPremium said:

@Rofles said:
My express was entered 8/21 and in QA2 8/27. do you mean larger express orders?

Not exactly? Soup to nuts, in this case, means day sent to PSA to day home from PSA.

Ahh gotcha. Thanks for catching me up on the lingo 😄

1951WheatiesPremium · August 30, 2021 12:55PM

@Rofles said:

@1951WheatiesPremium said:

@Rofles said:
My express was entered 8/21 and in QA2 8/27. do you mean larger express orders?

Not exactly? Soup to nuts, in this case, means day sent to PSA to day home from PSA.

Ahh gotcha. Thanks for catching me up on the lingo 😄

It’s an old expression and I’m old, so forgive me.

Will that have been your experience?

1951WheatiesPremium · August 30, 2021 12:58PM

@Rofles I don’t know about you but I’m down for a SIXTEEN course meal…😁

blurryface · August 30, 2021 1:33PM

is this like?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8hcfTFVJ9k

1951WheatiesPremium · August 30, 2021 1:39PM

@blurryface said:
is this like?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8hcfTFVJ9k

Miss Mona Lisa Vito.

My friend had home room with her during high school in Brooklyn.

PaulMaul · August 30, 2021 1:45PM

@1951WheatiesPremium said:

@blurryface said:
is this like?:

Miss Mona Lisa Vito.

My friend had home room with her during high school in Brooklyn.

Murrow? Is that by Brooklyn College? I lived in Bay Ridge, but she would’ve been a couple years ahead of me anyway.

1951WheatiesPremium · August 30, 2021 1:52PM

@PaulMaul said:

@1951WheatiesPremium said:

@blurryface said:
is this like?:

Miss Mona Lisa Vito.

My friend had home room with her during high school in Brooklyn.

Murrow? Is that by Brooklyn College? I lived in Bay Ridge, but she would’ve been a couple years ahead of me anyway.

Yes sir. My friend Eric was there, too, though not drama affiliated in any way.

Rofles · August 30, 2021 3:01PM

@1951WheatiesPremium said:

It’s an old expression and I’m old, so forgive me.

Will that have been your experience?

No; I mailed mine 8/18, received 8/20, hit QA2 8/27, just waiting(hoping for upcharge on grade) now for “the pop!”

1951WheatiesPremium · August 30, 2021 3:03PM

@Rofles said:

@1951WheatiesPremium said:

It’s an old expression and I’m old, so forgive me.

Will that have been your experience?

No; I mailed mine 8/18, received 8/20, hit QA2 8/27, just waiting(hoping for upcharge on grade) now for “the pop!”

Wow! That’s great! Good luck with the pop!

With nothing there and nothing to send (for now), I haven’t been following it too closely. But that’s pretty darn good…

Cakes · August 30, 2021 3:51PM

@tonylags said:

@Jayman1982 said:

@Historicalwood71 said:

@Sidepocket1 said:
At $200 a pop do you really think the madness will continue?

Of my last 100 card order I would have literally submitted zero of those cards at $200/card...

ditto

What a great comment! I have to agree that the sub I was getting ready was the same, maybe only 5 or 6 cards would have made the cut. Even now I will not send them in because I am a cheap skate.

I am 50, I juts hope the backlog is all caught up before I hit 62.5. I need a retirement hobby.

Historicalwood71 · August 30, 2021 5:07PM

I've heard the ole expression soup to nuts, but I was drunk in the red light district in Amsterdam.

tonylags · August 30, 2021 5:09PM

@Cakes said:

@tonylags said:

@Jayman1982 said:

@Historicalwood71 said:

@Sidepocket1 said:
At $200 a pop do you really think the madness will continue?

Of my last 100 card order I would have literally submitted zero of those cards at $200/card...

ditto

What a great comment! I have to agree that the sub I was getting ready was the same, maybe only 5 or 6 cards would have made the cut. Even now I will not send them in because I am a cheap skate.

I am 50, I juts hope the backlog is all caught up before I hit 62.5. I need a retirement hobby.

I have about 800-1000 cards I was holding out for; mostly 90's BK stars/Hof's, some vintage BB commons, etc, although not at $200 per, I guess for now I play the waiting game {although were the same age, so I hear ya} but with the lower grades I am seeing it makes it really a tough decision regardless

Vagabond · August 30, 2021 5:38PM

Random question but at what stage of grading do the grades become available for viewing?

1951WheatiesPremium · August 30, 2021 6:00PM

@Vagabond said:
Random question but at what stage of grading do the grades become available for viewing?

Shipped

blurryface · August 30, 2021 7:06PM

@1951WheatiesPremium said:

@Vagabond said:
Random question but at what stage of grading do the grades become available for viewing?

Shipped

correct. w the only exception being if you get an upcharge. in that instance youll get an email w the subject of “problem order” which will come w an attachment showing whats been graded/upcharged, what the charge is and a request to reply with approval of that charge.

Vagabond · August 30, 2021 7:36PM

Thanks fellas

ndleo · August 31, 2021 9:24AM

This is how I feel about all of these changes in the hobby.

Historicalwood71 · August 31, 2021 5:49PM

@ndleo said:
This is how I feel about all of these changes in the hobby.

Yep! Duck 🦆 dynasty

1959 · September 1, 2021 12:45PM

Latest : (from PSA ) 150.00 per card starting in OCT. NO other changes.

jimrad · September 1, 2021 1:20PM

I owned my own business for 22 years.
In my first ten years I did very well by focusing on customer service, quality products and competitive prices.
I was successful and profitable.
I opened a second location and was successful. My customer service became harder to maintain and profits slipped a little. I opened a third location and same results, still successful but slipped on profits and customer service. I opened a fourth location…ditto, I opened a fifth location and it had the same results.
Trying to maintain quality employees, give the customer service I dedicated my vision on with my company and be overall happy with my company became too much to bear. I was still a good profitable company but the original vision had changed. More locations is usually not the best way to grow, especially with today’s easy and cheap overnight shipping. Containing the quality in a single location is a way better way to go.
I could go on and on but you get my point.
PSA might make YOU feel better with more locations but it would make their company more vulnerable to quality control and many many other problems as well as increased cost of multiple B&M locations(expensive).
If their expenses go up we are the ones that will pay for it.
I would prefer they have one single massive state of the art location.

PS. After realizing what multiple locations do to a business I sold my company to a large investment group and have lived happily ever after….😁

1951WheatiesPremium · September 1, 2021 1:25PM

@1959 said:
Latest : (from PSA ) 150.00 per card starting in OCT. NO other changes.

You know what? I’m really starting to believe it now…2025 is going to be such an amazing year.

1959 · September 1, 2021 1:39PM

They are afraid that with their (still) huge backlog , plus what they expect to be coming in, ( if there were to be less prices), and what is being sent in now; the logjam would be too much. Mabe something different in Dec. or Jan. They know with the backlog they have, exactly how much money they will make per day , for the next x number of months. So, they want to get the cards they have, graded accurately and sent out as fast as possible. Yes, it will be a while.

Historicalwood71 · September 1, 2021 2:46PM

After reading Soo many stories, opinions and truthful knowledge of this. I can only determine one thing.... Popularity!!! Popularity always wins out..... But not always for the customers.
As mentioned above about more facilities and the good and bad..... We still need them! Because we can't flood out one place, and expect short waits. Take our hits now with new facilities until it pans out for the better.

blurryface · September 1, 2021 3:59PM

@jimrad said:
I owned my own business for 22 years.
In my first ten years I did very well by focusing on customer service, quality products and competitive prices.
I was successful and profitable.
I opened a second location and was successful. My customer service became harder to maintain and profits slipped a little. I opened a third location and same results, still successful but slipped on profits and customer service. I opened a fourth location…ditto, I opened a fifth location and it had the same results.
Trying to maintain quality employees, give the customer service I dedicated my vision on with my company and be overall happy with my company became too much to bear. I was still a good profitable company but the original vision had changed. More locations is usually not the best way to grow, especially with today’s easy and cheap overnight shipping. Containing the quality in a single location is a way better way to go.
I could go on and on but you get my point.
PSA might make YOU feel better with more locations but it would make their company more vulnerable to quality control and many many other problems as well as increased cost of multiple B&M locations(expensive).
If their expenses go up we are the ones that will pay for it.
I would prefer they have one single massive state of the art location.

PS. After realizing what multiple locations do to a business I sold my company to a large investment group and have lived happily ever after….😁

might be a little different or unique situation here. first is the cost of where they currently are and the workforce they can garner for the wages they are offering is a pretty big obstacle to overcome. they also just moved into a building they assumed would be ample to expand over the years. then the boom happened and everything changed. i think they had just finished a renov on the extra space which is now basically obsolete for the current need. think of only adding 1 lane to i95 when it needs 3 additional lanes.

the other major benefit to some division here is natural and free sorting. i can see vintage, prewar, autos and things of that nature staying at the original location with the established graders, researchers and staff they have. then modern and ultra going to the new location. in doing so you eliminate extra time processing orders and staff training on the 100+ year history of all the different types of cards and the millions of different variations of the new releases. collateral assets here are taking a lot of the burden off waiting times for registry folk and vintage collectors. pretty easy to see that most of the backlog here is modern and ultra modern. its naturally frustrating longtime loyal customers who arent used to these timeframes vs the ultra modern subbers who have basically only known 6+ month wait times. if it were a sales and or service business, id totally agree with. plus, i think they have great customer service if you know how it works but i would also go out on a limb and venture to say the most folks (outside the forums) would already say they have horrible customer service.

JoeBanzai · September 1, 2021 4:24PM

@Historicalwood71 said:
After reading Soo many stories, opinions and truthful knowledge of this. I can only determine one thing.... Popularity!!! Popularity always wins out..... But not always for the customers.
As mentioned above about more facilities and the good and bad..... We still need them! Because we can't flood out one place, and expect short waits. Take our hits now with new facilities until it pans out for the better.

Popularity usually is BAD for the customers. When a business is in competition for your patronage they work hard for you, once they have "won" the battle they often decide to maximize profits.

"We" don't necessarily need more facilities. More facilities means higher operating costs for PSA and higher fees.

"We" need to stop sending in every card we think is worth $100.00 or more because we think it "needs" to be in a slab.

I don't know the volume of submissions since the March 30th suspension of most service levels, but it should have been drastically reduced. If not, fees are just never going to return to anywhere close to what they once were.

PSA is in business to make money, if "we" keep flooding them with cards while prices are high, they would be foolish to spend millions of dollars to "catch up" and then be in danger of losing money if for some reason submissions decline.

I will not be submitting anything until pricing comes down to somewhere in the $25.00 per item range, if that doesn't happen, I just don't need to submit. I am a small time collector who enjoyed having my cards graded and then found the Registry and had fun with that as well. I don't need my items graded to enjoy them, I had fun collecting before TPG and I will continue to have fun if I am priced out of the service.

I do have sympathy for the dealers who made a living buying raw and selling graded.

1959 · September 1, 2021 9:34PM

SGC is 35.00 and about a month wait. May be getting some of my business.

daltex · September 1, 2021 10:07PM

@1959 said:
Latest : (from PSA ) 150.00 per card starting in OCT. NO other changes.

Does "no other changes" mean a reduction in price for "Express" or a new tier opened at $150 per card with a maximum value lower than $2499?

AFLfan · September 2, 2021 6:28AM

@1959 said:
Latest : (from PSA ) 150.00 per card starting in OCT. NO other changes.

This is not true.

1959 · September 2, 2021 9:07AM

Thanks Todd for the correction. But, what part if not each statement is not true. or is all 3 wrong? 150, OCt. or no other changes.?

AFLfan · September 2, 2021 9:59AM

Nothing has been decided yet. Lots of discussion happening about the best plan/timing/pricing moving forward, but decisions have not yet been made.

jimrad · September 2, 2021 10:24AM

@blurryface
100% PSA is in the wrong place (Southern California) when you think of the cost of doing business.
I don’t understand why any company of that size and with what they do would be in California.

blurryface · September 6, 2021 9:43PM

@1959

without sounding harsh, technically all 3 solely because its a moving target. and literally what is good today might not be tomorrow. new releases, possible covid shutdowns again and so forth. there are goals but i think theyve said several times that nothing is set in stone. i dont blame them for not wanting to paint themselves into another corner. but the counterpoint is that technically all 3 could end up being right though. just not at this particular time. 😉

1959 · September 7, 2021 10:40AM

Thanks, Blurry. A logical explanation . We can only only wait and see.

maddux69 · September 9, 2021 1:03PM

Welp, the $150 per card is in effect for all express subs.

Norcal · September 9, 2021 1:09PM

@maddux69 said:
Welp, the $150 per card is in effect for all express subs.

Well, its a small step in the right direction.

blurryface · September 9, 2021 3:02PM

@Norcal said:

@maddux69 said:
Welp, the $150 per card is in effect for all express subs.

Well, its a small step in the right direction.

@blurryface said:
@1959

without sounding harsh, technically all 3 solely because its a moving target. and literally what is good today might not be tomorrow. new releases, possible covid shutdowns again and so forth. there are goals but i think theyve said several times that nothing is set in stone. i dont blame them for not wanting to paint themselves into another corner. but the counterpoint is that technically all 3 could end up being right though. just not at this particular time.

see you were wrong! and right! 😉

Kepper19 · September 9, 2021 3:41PM

@maddux69 said:
Welp, the $150 per card is in effect for all express subs.

yep, seems the "rumor" was right...not sure how much the decrease will entice people to submit cards...at that price, it still has to be a card that is worth a good chunk of change in PSA 9, as you can never assume a PSA 10

nam812 · September 9, 2021 4:34PM

@Kepper19 said:

@maddux69 said:
Welp, the $150 per card is in effect for all express subs.

yep, seems the "rumor" was right...not sure how much the decrease will entice people to submit cards...at that price, it still has to be a card that is worth a good chunk of change in PSA 9, as you can never assume a PSA 10

These days if you think you have a PSA 10 it better be valuable in a PSA 8.

1982FootballWax · September 9, 2021 5:41PM

@Kepper19 said:

@maddux69 said:
Welp, the $150 per card is in effect for all express subs.

yep, seems the "rumor" was right...not sure how much the decrease will entice people to submit cards...at that price, it still has to be a card that is worth a good chunk of change in PSA 9, as you can never assume a PSA 10

True for smaller private entities.

P. S. A. after the avalanche

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