1909-S VDB can anyone tell me if this is authentic
Gerard
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If you think it is fake please specify why you think this.
This coin was replaced with one lower down in the thread. Please comment on the 2nd one as this one has
proved to be faked.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/Coins-...=10&_ssn=infoflexsales
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Does not appear to be authentic to these old eyes.
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Looks like a fake to me.
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oops.
Fake. Added mint mark.
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Looks counterfeit due to dots being too low. Most likely added mintmark, which appears too high to me.
Jim
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VDB is all wrong.
In looking at about 20x holdered coins it looks like there is only 1 die variety of the VDB
for the 1909-S VDB where the dot is centered between the D & B. What makes me doubt this
is none of the PCGS or NGC diagnostic pages use this as a diagnostic. If there is only 1 die variety of the VDB
then by default the 'S' must have been added but I cant be 100% sure. Is there only 1 VDB die variety
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My recommendation is to send the piece to our host for authentication/grading. The piece would bring at least $500-$600 if deemed authentic so would be worth doing. If not authentic, they will not holder it.
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I think there are 4 different obv with different S mintmark positions. The reb i dont know but the dot between the V and D aren't centered on a genuine svdb cent. The B has a different shape than yours also
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Mintmark doesn't look right and the B of BDB isn't slanted... no good.
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Extremely sus
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There is another diagnostic feature of the 1909-S VDB (not as well known) which this coin fails to have.
The real one has a shallow 'N' on UNITED STATES. At this point, I am convinced it is fake and most likely
the 'S' added. Bought it yesterday from a dealer and refund
is in doubt because I removed it from his 2x2 which he warned me would void the warranty.
Thankyou for all your help.
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This coin is also being discussed here
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1062881/09svdb-phony#latest
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Collector, occasional seller
An altered mm would be a return reason, outside the 2x2 or not
You can’t “accidentally” manipulate the V.D.B. to make it less of a key date coin
The mintmark was added. It's the wrong type and in the wrong position for a genuine coin.
The period between the D and the B should be centered.
Pete
If it's not in the original holder, the dealer can claim that it's not the same coin that he sold you. Collectors have been know to switch coins and then attempt to do a return.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
true
It wouldn't hurt to try to do a return. How well do you know this dealer? At least you'll find out if you'll want to buy from this dealer again in the future.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I don't think that matters in this case, the listing photos clearly show that it is a fake.
One could argue that research should have been done by the bidder before bidding on a raw coin like this, but that does not excuse selling a fake.
Collector, occasional seller
If you can , next time you are in doubt about a coin, send some pictures over for verification before you buy a coin. You'll get answers pretty quickly. Best of luck trying to return this...........
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
the OP bought it from a dealer and listed it on ebay.
as it turns out, it was the subject of a "phony" report thread here.
someone, somewhere reported it.
ebay yanked the OPs listing. We're hoping he can get his money bback from the dealer that sold it to him.
The dealer should be able to easily recognize it's the same coin on such a recent purchase.
True but the dealer said that removing the coin from the holder would void the warranty. If the dealer uses this as an excuse to not take it back, I would assume he knew all along that he was unloading a fake coin on an unsuspecting collector.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Just got back from the dealer. He apologized and exchanged for this one. Looks better in terms of the diagnostics but feel free to give me your opinion.
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Glad he exchanged it for you, that one looks genuine. MM #2
IMO, the second coin is real but the first coin is absolutely a fake.
Wayne
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Looks bogus to me as well
Put a drop of acetone on the mintmark and see if it falls off.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I'm going to say that the second one has a FAR greater chance of being genuine!
The designers initials and the periods looks pretty properly positioned!
The tails (legs) on both nines in the date look okay.
The mint mark is worn (flattened) a lot, the lower loop and its serif has the look of extending out past the main body of the S but, change the lighting and that could look different?
As for condition, # 2 coin would grade lower than # 1 if both were genuine, so if you paid for a higher grade, you got traded a lower grade, but! as it stands right now most here seem to agree that # 2 looks likely genuine.
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In ebay listing before the listing was taken down I scanned some of the sellers other items and they had lost of other listings but very few coins, mostly items like stamps, or that's what I saw on the first two pages of their listings. I did see a few coins, but very few.
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The eBay seller you mention?
He’s the OP here asking the questions.
I caution on looking at items for sale and drawing conclusions
2nd appears to be real but cleaned. Won't grade.
bob
My lips are sealed in that aspect
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The one in the OP is fake and the second one appears authentic. Cheers, RickO