Grade Opinions - 1900 Liberty $10
I’m posting a couple of pictures to capture the coin with light striking from different angles. There are a couple of light scratches on the holder (one most prominent at about 2:00 on the obverse). Let me know what you think as far as grade.
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@pmh1nic IMO AU-58 to MS-61 However, may receive a details grade due to possible Rim Filing and/or damage on reverse from 8:00-1:00. 🤔
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I’m thinking 62 is what’s on the holder.
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Is there a scratch or die break or something else down the back of Liberty’s neck?
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62, maybe 63
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Typical generic gold
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I don't think any of the chatter is particularly bad, and I think it's accentuated by the harsh light. With strong lustre, I wouldn't be surprised to see it in a 63 holder, though if that's wrong, I'd think a 62 more likely than 64.
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A better picture of that section . It did receive a straight grade.
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@Walkerguy21D said:
Is there a scratch or die break or something else down the back of Liberty’s neck?
Assuming it’s something benign, I’ll go with 63.It’s actually a scratch in the plastic.
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@JimTyler said:
Typical generic goldYes, generic gold but it’s my generic gold
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@pmh1nic said:
@Walkerguy21D said:
Is there a scratch or die break or something else down the back of Liberty’s neck?
Assuming it’s something benign, I’ll go with 63.It’s actually a scratch in the plastic.
@pmh1nic Are you talking about the horizontal scratch on the plastic? Because I believe the vertical line to be a die line. Its awfully strange looking for a scratch in the plastic. If not a defect as a scratch on the coin, I would grade the coin 63.
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63? Lighting often exaggerates marks and downplays luster.
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Ms 62 ?
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62+/63-
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@pmh1nic said:
@Walkerguy21D said:
Is there a scratch or die break or something else down the back of Liberty’s neck?
Assuming it’s something benign, I’ll go with 63.It’s actually a scratch in the plastic.
@pmh1nic Are you talking about the horizontal scratch on the plastic? Because I believe the vertical line to be a die line. Its awfully strange looking for a scratch in the plastic. If not a defect as a scratch on the coin, I would grade the coin 63.
JimPhotographs can be so deceiving. That vertical line is a very fine scratch on the plastic. Actually even with slab in hand you don’t see it until you look at a certain angle.
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I am in the 62 camp. I have several similar and enjoy generic gold.
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61 but labeled 62 by ngc
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63 unless there are issues such as hairlines that are not showing up in the pics.
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For those that said 63 that was how I was leaning when I purchased the coin in the NGC 62 holder. I paid 62 money but there really isn’t much difference in the price between a 62 and 63.
The chatter in the fields is very light and in my opinion not really distracting. In fact there is no one mark that really draws a lot of attention to it which is something you might expect with a 62 coin and definitely would expect to see with a 60 or 61. It has good luster and in hand a nice “generic” gold coin.
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I'm in the 63 camp.
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@asheland said:
64If only. From 62 to 64 the price doubles. I've never been that lucky.
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@coinbuf said:
I'm in the 63 camp.In my opinion the coin could have gone 62 or 63. In this case not much difference in price. But for some dates/mint marks that one point difference means thousands of dollars. For the 1880-O the difference in price between the grades is $40,000!
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MS-63, in the middle of the grade, no +.
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@pmh1nic said:
In my opinion the coin could have gone 62 or 63. In this case not much difference in price.If there isn’t much price difference b/t MS-62 & MS-63, my preference would be to purchase an MS-63 that was solid for the grade, with MS-64 Eye Appeal 😉
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we are grading the images and not the coin... just put me in the unimpressed crowd.
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I think that buying gold Liberty $10's in this grade is a great way to own some gold at a cost that's not too much over bullion value. I see inflation in our future so owning some gold is a smart thing to do.
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I've seen more than one comment here, which seemed to equate "generic gold coin" with a relatively low mint state grade. To me, generally, a "generic gold coin" is a common date example for the type, which can be any grade through (at least as high as) MS66.
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From those images I'd grade it a 63 or 64 can't see it being anything other than one of those personally.
Might be my favorite us series, love the $10 libs.
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MS62 would be my assessment....That mark on the back of the neck... that you say is not there but on the slab, sure looks strange. Cheers, RickO
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That is not close to a 63 with all that rim scuffing.
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This.
And if you can find one with a sticker without a premium even better.
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@MFeld said:
I've seen more than one comment here, which seemed to equate "generic gold coin" with a relatively low mint state grade. To me, generally, a "generic gold coin" is a common date example for the type, which can be any grade through (at least as high as) MS66.When I say “typical generic gold” was my comment I am referring to a coin that’s value is based on its gold content. An MS66 may be generic gold for the most part it not typical and has a premium over its gold value.
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@JimTyler said:
@MFeld said:
I've seen more than one comment here, which seemed to equate "generic gold coin" with a relatively low mint state grade. To me, generally, a "generic gold coin" is a common date example for the type, which can be any grade through (at least as high as) MS66.When I say “typical generic gold” was my comment I am referring to a coin that’s value is based on its gold content. An MS66 may be generic gold for the most part it not typical and has a premium over its gold value.
To me, a coin whose value is based on its gold content is a bullion gold coin. not a generic gold coin.
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@MFeld said:
@JimTyler said:
@MFeld said:
I've seen more than one comment here, which seemed to equate "generic gold coin" with a relatively low mint state grade. To me, generally, a "generic gold coin" is a common date example for the type, which can be any grade through (at least as high as) MS66.When I say “typical generic gold” was my comment I am referring to a coin that’s value is based on its gold content. An MS66 may be generic gold for the most part it not typical and has a premium over its gold value.
To me, a coin whose value is based on its gold content is a bullion gold coin. not a generic gold coin.
A coin can be both a generic coin and a bullion coin. One doesn't preclude the other.
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@JimTyler said:
@MFeld said:
I've seen more than one comment here, which seemed to equate "generic gold coin" with a relatively low mint state grade. To me, generally, a "generic gold coin" is a common date example for the type, which can be any grade through (at least as high as) MS66.When I say “typical generic gold” was my comment I am referring to a coin that’s value is based on its gold content. An MS66 may be generic gold for the most part it not typical and has a premium over its gold value.
The statement “value is based on its gold content” is somewhat relative. The typical premium for an 1/2 Gold American Eagle might be 15%. The PCGS price on a 1900 $10 MS-62 is $1200-$1250. Consider the coin has about 0.48 oz of gold that price would be about $870 worth of gold so the $1200 would represent a 40% premium over spot. That’s about 2.5x the premium for generic bullion. I would never pay a 40% premium for bullion. Of course this pales in comparison to the “premium” over spot for many numismatic coins.
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@PerryHall said:
@MFeld said:
@JimTyler said:
@MFeld said:
I've seen more than one comment here, which seemed to equate "generic gold coin" with a relatively low mint state grade. To me, generally, a "generic gold coin" is a common date example for the type, which can be any grade through (at least as high as) MS66.When I say “typical generic gold” was my comment I am referring to a coin that’s value is based on its gold content. An MS66 may be generic gold for the most part it not typical and has a premium over its gold value.
To me, a coin whose value is based on its gold content is a bullion gold coin. not a generic gold coin.
A coin can be both a generic coin and a bullion coin. One doesn't preclude the other.
At particular lower lower level grades, I agree. But at a given grade point, the premium over the price of gold becomes significant enough so that it's no longer a bullion gold coin.
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@ricko said:
MS62 would be my assessment....That mark on the back of the neck... that you say is not there but on the slab, sure looks strange. Cheers, RickOWhen I crack it out I’ll take some more pictures.
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@coinkat said:
we are grading the images and not the coin... just put me in the unimpressed crowd.What’s your grade in the image?
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@pmh1nic said:
@JimTyler said:
@MFeld said:
I've seen more than one comment here, which seemed to equate "generic gold coin" with a relatively low mint state grade. To me, generally, a "generic gold coin" is a common date example for the type, which can be any grade through (at least as high as) MS66.When I say “typical generic gold” was my comment I am referring to a coin that’s value is based on its gold content. An MS66 may be generic gold for the most part it not typical and has a premium over its gold value.
The statement “value is based on its gold content” is somewhat relative. The typical premium for an 1/2 Gold American Eagle might be 15%. The PCGS price on a 1900 $10 MS-62 is $1200-$1250. Consider the coin has about 0.48 oz of gold that price would be about $870 worth of gold so the $1200 would represent a 40% premium over spot. That’s about 2.5x the premium for generic bullion. I would never pay a 40% premium for bullion. Of course this pales in comparison to the “premium” over spot for many numismatic coins.
I forgot about the current crazy premiums.
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Why crack it out? A coin like this is easier to sell in a top tier slab.
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I have no plans to sell it and according to Peter Schiff gold will be at $15,000 by the end of the year
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@PerryHall asked you the same question I was going to ask — why you’re planning to crack it out of its current NGC graded slab?
@pmh1nic You didn’t answer his question…? 🤔
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