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What circulated grades do you personally dislike?

291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

For me: VF25; VF35; AU53. My own feeling is that if they aren't good enough to make it all the way to the next highest circulated grade they should go to the next lowest. They are just an attempt to squeeze a bit more money out of a coin when selling.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Au53 is one of my favorites price wise on early type. Almost full details but near XF luster. It’s the low luster version of an au58

    Coincidentally AU50 almost always come unattractive as it is almost always a net graded 53. Occasionally a bumped 45 but more often than not it is an ugly 53

  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, I don’t think I could make that type of generalization. For example, I think there are some fabulous bust dollars grading VF35.

    I tend not to collect coins where the lettering is worn into the edges, but above G04 or so, I think there are lots of great coins in any grade.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Vf25 typically are premium 20s so that one is cool with me

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2021 12:40PM

    I love and own all grades of coins, at the right price. While I might agree a little bit with the OP premise with extremely common coins, I simply can't understand not understanding the nuance and subtlety of the full spectrum of in-between grades for coins that are rare and expensive in all grades. Again, the market is what the market is. Not everyone needs to understand and agree with it, particularly if they're not participating but instead commenting from the peanut gallery.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Higashiyama said:
    Wow, I don’t think I could make that type of generalization. For example, I think there are some fabulous bust dollars grading VF35.

    >

    A VF35 is a coin that looks XF at first glance but doesn't quite make it. Also, many times it's priced closer to a VF than an XF coin. For many older rare coins this can be considered a value grade where you get a lot of coin at a lower price.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe it depends on which series you're looking at. Most of the AU53 Morgan Dollars I've been looking at recently seem to be AU55's with negative eye appeal...

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  • chesterbchesterb Posts: 988 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    None. Every grade offers numerous dogs, great examples and everything in between.

    +1

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I generally don't love XF40 because 45 seems to be the cutoff grade where a coin has to show some mint luster. But as others have said, there are worthy coins in all grades.

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TurtleCat said:
    I generally am not a fan of PO1 or FR2 grades mostly because there is so little to see.

    Agree. VG10 is as low as I've ever gone (Flowing Hair dollar).

  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2021 2:11PM

    Anything below G-4 for Barber dimes, quarters, and halves and for that matter, make that any silver coins dated after 1891.
    As for VF-25, VF-35, I really like these grades as their aren't that many coins in them, and if you look at them closely they are usually graded properly as such.

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinJunkie said:

    @TurtleCat said:
    I generally am not a fan of PO1 or FR2 grades mostly because there is so little to see.

    Agree. VG10 is as low as I've ever gone (Flowing Hair dollar).

    I have found a few nice items in G and VG but I do prefer more detail. As someone else said, MS60 and 61 is also not my favorite grades.

  • yspsalesyspsales Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Depends on the series.. anything below VF in Buffs

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 9,074 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Below G04

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AG and lower

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Your dishing VF grades is funny to me because the VF spectrum is the widest of any grade where wear is considered.

  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a big fan of G-4 for Type 1 Standing Liberty quarters, :)

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2021 5:02PM

    MS60, for coins that ARE and ARE NOT unc. Most them wouldn't make 58+

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  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I usually don’t like AU 50’s.

    There are exceptions.

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  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2021 5:21PM

    Usually not a fan of MS (and PR) 60, and less often of 61's, but just like every grade, there are prizes and suckers at every level.

    I know those aren't "technically" circulated grades ;)


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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Depends on the coin.

    I think I'd be quite satisfied with a half disme in FR-2 or AG-3. ;)

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,890 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The only circulated grades that I DO like are XF 45, AU 50, AU 55 and AU 58.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2021 9:25AM

    I do not like slicks or coins that are so close to looking like an electrical box punch out that you cannot see the design anymore, for the most part that is anything under VG10 for me.

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2021 9:48PM

    66 and under is circulated and unacceptable for me and my dreck.
    Edit: excluding gold.

  • DDRDDR Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was going to say AG-3, but then I saw Crypto's pair. I guess you can find good coins at any grade.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,998 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Circulated grades and identifying the slight differences between grades and even within a set spectrum (VF20-35 and AU50-58) may have some level of frustration. I do not gave a circulated grades that I dislike (mainly because grading is part of the landscape to best describe the condition of a coin as it currently exists) rather there are coins graded at certain grades that I don't like. There is a distinction.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Details grades.

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't do circulated coins.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Generally, I am not a fan of anything below Good-4. The lowest grade coin in my type set is Fine-15. My rule of thumb is if I can’t afford a decent example of something, I don’t collect it.

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Details, damaged, cleaned. Peace Roy

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really am not attracted to the very low grade coins (01, 02, 03).... I realize some enjoy/collect them, but not for me. Other than that, depends on the coin. Cheers, RickO

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 15,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2021 3:41AM

    Especially with respect to classic business strikes, I think I can appreciate a “nearly perfect” extremely low grade example (such as a 3 or a 4,) as much as a “nearly perfect” high grade one (such as a 68 or 69). In each case, very different, but extreme odds have been overcome and that makes the coins more special to me.

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I take that back, that 39-o half in ag actually looks pleasing to me.

    Come to think of it, once, I did see an ag-3 01-s quarter that actually looked pleasing for somebody on a budget

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The AG3 1839-O half is exceptional for the grade. Many collectors would love to have it.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To follow up on my comment about not collecting something if I can't afford a decent example, here is an illustration.

    At one point, the last coin I needed to complete a type set from the half cent to the non-gold dollar coins was the 1796-7 half dollar. A dealer had a 1796 half dollar at one of the Bay State shows in Boston. The coin was worn down to AG-3, had been polished bright and was holed. This "economy piece" had a price tag of $8,900. I could have put the money together at the time,, but that was a hard pass.

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I dislike coins that grade AU55 and below.

    More than 99% of my coins are MS.

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not real fond of the AU50 and the MS60 grades. But as has been mentioned I'm sure someone could show something to change my mind on a particular coin.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2021 7:34AM

    @291fifth said:
    The AG3 1839-O half is exceptional for the grade. Many collectors would love to have it.

    Here is it's cell mate while not quite as nice (Closer to Fair Details) due to lack of central detail, the 1840(o) shows off the bust half rev decently which is how this mistaken mule is missing it's mint mark for those not familiar. The generations swapped mintmark locations so when this first year was issued with the Obv die of the seated series and the Rev die of the Bust series the mint mark was omitted even though it has been verified as struck in New Orleans by the dies. 4 Very Rare Philly opposite mules are know which show an 1839 bust half Obv and a Seated small letters Rev. Plucked off Ebay Raw for 125 bucks 15 years ago

  • jomjom Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I usually don't care for coins below VF.

    However, above that will depend. I love my VF, XF and AU Bust Quarters. At the same time I almost never like a $5 Indian below MS...the coin is just ugly in circulated grades IMO. To each their own!

    jom

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