I'm in the camp that, if you have the disposable funds, you should send it in just for a grading lesson if for no other reason!
Back around 2004, I had a very similar argument with a bunch of experts in a coin group about a GSA Morgan that I had. I was convinced it was a 65 and thought it deserved to go to NGC. After reviewing the pics online, most of the group told me it was no better than a 62 or 63. The pics did show some contact marks (slight rubs), and made some marks look worse than they were, so the coin did not look as good as it did in hand. That's the thing - you have the advantage of seeing the coin in hand.
In my case, I decided to send the coin in, and it got my 65 from NGC. Of course, being competitive, I gloated about it. Didn't need to do that. But, it did teach me to never fully trust online pics - they can show a coin at its best, or its worst.
As for your coin, I believe the coin probably looks better in hand than in the pics. I'm seeing a lot of minor scratches on the neck, face and field in front of the face. I do not see any major distracting hits, though (maybe one at the edge of the hair at 3:00 from the eye, and a couple on the reverse, but nothing too major). I'm not seeing a lot of luster - the pics make the coin look almost like it was dipped a few times to keep it clean. Or, am I wrong about that? I'd be in the camp of AU-53 or MS-63 (tops), based on the pics. But, you have the coin in hand, and can see the coin in all angles and light reflections.
I say, send it in and let us know how it turns out. Good luck!
So I posted that grading is subjected, opinionated and not a science.. Yes, people are trained and have the right tools, but at the end of the day, it's up to the induvial..
The only grading that counts is the grading by the buyer.
The coin is worth what the buyer thinks it is worth and ultimately is willing to pay for the coin.
So I posted that grading is subjected, opinionated and not a science.. Yes, people are trained and have the right tools, but at the end of the day, it's up to the induvial..
The only grading that counts is the grading by the buyer.
The coin is worth what the buyer thinks it is worth and ultimately is willing to pay for the coin.
If there's only one potential "buyer", perhaps. Otherwise, what "the buyer" thinks is largely irrelevant.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
So my last "GTG" peace dollar turned out to be a MS63 and I said it was an au50 at best. So my guess of grade would be just that, a guess. I am still suffering from grade shock from the prior coin which was also a 1927 coin.
So I posted that grading is subjected, opinionated and not a science.. Yes, people are trained and have the right tools, but at the end of the day, it's up to the induvial..
The only grading that counts is the grading by the buyer.
The coin is worth what the buyer thinks it is worth and ultimately is willing to pay for the coin.
If there's only one potential "buyer", perhaps. Otherwise, what "the buyer" thinks is largely irrelevant.
Yes Mark, I was referring to one buyer one seller in this theoretical.
So I posted that grading is subjected, opinionated and not a science.. Yes, people are trained and have the right tools, but at the end of the day, it's up to the induvial..
The only grading that counts is the grading by the buyer.
The coin is worth what the buyer thinks it is worth and ultimately is willing to pay for the coin.
If there's only one potential "buyer", perhaps. Otherwise, what "the buyer" thinks is largely irrelevant.
Yes Mark, I was referring to one buyer one seller in this theoretical.
Understood. But part of my point was that a coin isn't necessarily "worth" what a seller can or does get for it in a particular instance. It might easily be worth considerably more or less.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@Eric_Babula said:
I'm in the camp that, if you have the disposable funds, you should send it in just for a grading lesson if for no other reason!
Back around 2004, I had a very similar argument with a bunch of experts in a coin group about a GSA Morgan that I had. I was convinced it was a 65 and thought it deserved to go to NGC. After reviewing the pics online, most of the group told me it was no better than a 62 or 63. The pics did show some contact marks (slight rubs), and made some marks look worse than they were, so the coin did not look as good as it did in hand. That's the thing - you have the advantage of seeing the coin in hand.
In my case, I decided to send the coin in, and it got my 65 from NGC. Of course, being competitive, I gloated about it. Didn't need to do that. But, it did teach me to never fully trust online pics - they can show a coin at its best, or its worst.
As for your coin, I believe the coin probably looks better in hand than in the pics. I'm seeing a lot of minor scratches on the neck, face and field in front of the face. I do not see any major distracting hits, though (maybe one at the edge of the hair at 3:00 from the eye, and a couple on the reverse, but nothing too major). I'm not seeing a lot of luster - the pics make the coin look almost like it was dipped a few times to keep it clean. Or, am I wrong about that? I'd be in the camp of AU-53 or MS-63 (tops), based on the pics. But, you have the coin in hand, and can see the coin in all angles and light reflections.
I say, send it in and let us know how it turns out. Good luck!
The picture were taken with an old cell phone directly under a florescent light. I can try to take more and different angles. Many be part of the problem as the coin has "genuine" luster to my eyes.. Thank you for your detailed reply! Joe
I think different pics would be very helpful. We've got one angle with too much light that very well could be flattening areas that you see as lustrous and full. I hope you can get us some different pics to assess. I've gotten a few Peaces this year and am enjoying the threads on them recently.
So I posted that grading is subjected, opinionated and not a science.. Yes, people are trained and have the right tools, but at the end of the day, it's up to the induvial..
The only grading that counts is the grading by the buyer.
The coin is worth what the buyer thinks it is worth and ultimately is willing to pay for the coin.
If there's only one potential "buyer", perhaps. Otherwise, what "the buyer" thinks is largely irrelevant.
Yes Mark, I was referring to one buyer one seller in this theoretical.
Understood. But part of my point was that a coin isn't necessarily "worth" what a seller can or does get for it in a particular instance. It might easily be worth considerably more or less.
A 27-D peace in MS62 is still a 250-300 buck coin so assuming you didn't give the moon and stars for it, it is worth grading. If you just paid the moon and not the stars, it may still be worth grading if you have any hopes of getting the most back out of it.
I don't see it grading above 62 either. If you were told you shouldn't grade coins, (have a few good guesses who said that) just keep learning and trying. GTG threads are free, and so is looking at photos online.
@clarkbar04 said:
A 27-D peace in MS62 is still a 250-300 buck coin so assuming you didn't give the moon and stars for it, it is worth grading. If you just paid the moon and not the stars, it may still be worth grading if you have any hopes of getting the most back out of it.
I don't see it grading above 62 either. If you were told you shouldn't grade coins, (have a few good guesses who said that) just keep learning and trying. GTG threads are free, and so is looking at photos online.
Thanks, you did not read all of my replies. I paid $12.50 (in cash) in W V75 quarters. My profit margin on W's is right at 71%
@clarkbar04 said:
A 27-D peace in MS62 is still a 250-300 buck coin so assuming you didn't give the moon and stars for it, it is worth grading. If you just paid the moon and not the stars, it may still be worth grading if you have any hopes of getting the most back out of it.
I don't see it grading above 62 either. If you were told you shouldn't grade coins, (have a few good guesses who said that) just keep learning and trying. GTG threads are free, and so is looking at photos online.
oh, also, I have a 1921 D Morgan Dollar on GTG right now, please join. Thanks again, Joe
@clarkbar04 said:
A 27-D peace in MS62 is still a 250-300 buck coin so assuming you didn't give the moon and stars for it, it is worth grading. If you just paid the moon and not the stars, it may still be worth grading if you have any hopes of getting the most back out of it.
I don't see it grading above 62 either. If you were told you shouldn't grade coins, (have a few good guesses who said that) just keep learning and trying. GTG threads are free, and so is looking at photos online.
Thanks, you did not read all of my replies. I paid $12.50 (in cash) in W V75 quarters. My profit margin on W's is right at 71%
Also quick question for you. I count 5 maybe 6 distinct finger prints on the coin. Are those yours? You may be handling the coin incorrectly if they are.
Here's what I'm seeing. The obv has so many I drew lines showing the print line flow. The reverse I circled since they are easier to spot. The ? one looks like at least 1 print but that area is very white washed with light so hard to say for sure if its just 1 print.
@clarkbar04 said:
Those new photos aren't going to help your cause. Now my guess is au details.
I would also like to change my vote to AU details. Sorry but the new photos do not show a coin that I would consider unc by any means. Light wear, many abrasions, and it looks like it has been cleaned judging by the halos around the devices and unnatural reflectivity.
Save your money. AU55 at best, and that might be a stretch. That coin very well might bag. Those fields sure don't look original, but it might be the oversaturated lighting.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
So I posted that grading is subjected, opinionated and not a science.. Yes, people are trained and have the right tools, but at the end of the day, it's up to the induvial..
The only grading that counts is the grading by the buyer.
The coin is worth what the buyer thinks it is worth and ultimately is willing to pay for the coin.
If there's only one potential "buyer", perhaps. Otherwise, what "the buyer" thinks is largely irrelevant.
Yes Mark, I was referring to one buyer one seller in this theoretical.
Understood. But part of my point was that a coin isn't necessarily "worth" what a seller can or does get for it in a particular instance. It might easily be worth considerably more or less.
Those new photos aren't going to help your cause. Now my guess is au details.
Yes, totally agree.
I think the new photos look worse. I still think we have a range that starts at AU (details) and ends at MS62 - if the details look is an artifact of the photos.
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I'm in the camp that, if you have the disposable funds, you should send it in just for a grading lesson if for no other reason!
Back around 2004, I had a very similar argument with a bunch of experts in a coin group about a GSA Morgan that I had. I was convinced it was a 65 and thought it deserved to go to NGC. After reviewing the pics online, most of the group told me it was no better than a 62 or 63. The pics did show some contact marks (slight rubs), and made some marks look worse than they were, so the coin did not look as good as it did in hand. That's the thing - you have the advantage of seeing the coin in hand.
In my case, I decided to send the coin in, and it got my 65 from NGC. Of course, being competitive, I gloated about it. Didn't need to do that. But, it did teach me to never fully trust online pics - they can show a coin at its best, or its worst.
As for your coin, I believe the coin probably looks better in hand than in the pics. I'm seeing a lot of minor scratches on the neck, face and field in front of the face. I do not see any major distracting hits, though (maybe one at the edge of the hair at 3:00 from the eye, and a couple on the reverse, but nothing too major). I'm not seeing a lot of luster - the pics make the coin look almost like it was dipped a few times to keep it clean. Or, am I wrong about that? I'd be in the camp of AU-53 or MS-63 (tops), based on the pics. But, you have the coin in hand, and can see the coin in all angles and light reflections.
I say, send it in and let us know how it turns out. Good luck!
Rocking my "shiny-object-syndrome"!!!
The only grading that counts is the grading by the buyer.
The coin is worth what the buyer thinks it is worth and ultimately is willing to pay for the coin.
If there's only one potential "buyer", perhaps. Otherwise, what "the buyer" thinks is largely irrelevant.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
So my last "GTG" peace dollar turned out to be a MS63 and I said it was an au50 at best. So my guess of grade would be just that, a guess. I am still suffering from grade shock from the prior coin which was also a 1927 coin.
Kennedys are my quest...
Yes Mark, I was referring to one buyer one seller in this theoretical.
Understood. But part of my point was that a coin isn't necessarily "worth" what a seller can or does get for it in a particular instance. It might easily be worth considerably more or less.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Thanks! I appreciate the feedback and input. Joe
The picture were taken with an old cell phone directly under a florescent light. I can try to take more and different angles. Many be part of the problem as the coin has "genuine" luster to my eyes.. Thank you for your detailed reply! Joe
I think different pics would be very helpful. We've got one angle with too much light that very well could be flattening areas that you see as lustrous and full. I hope you can get us some different pics to assess. I've gotten a few Peaces this year and am enjoying the threads on them recently.
Thanks. Now I get what you meant.
A 27-D peace in MS62 is still a 250-300 buck coin so assuming you didn't give the moon and stars for it, it is worth grading. If you just paid the moon and not the stars, it may still be worth grading if you have any hopes of getting the most back out of it.
I don't see it grading above 62 either. If you were told you shouldn't grade coins, (have a few good guesses who said that) just keep learning and trying. GTG threads are free, and so is looking at photos online.
Au details cleaned. You will not get your money out the grading fees
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Thanks for posting and stimulating an interesting discussion.
The strike is solid, but I think it would grade no higher than AU-55.
I hope you ignore most of the advice and send it in, then post the results.
Thanks, you did not read all of my replies. I paid $12.50 (in cash) in W V75 quarters. My profit margin on W's is right at 71%
Thank you, Joe
oh, also, I have a 1921 D Morgan Dollar on GTG right now, please join. Thanks again, Joe
Is the value of 1 W V75 quarter .25 cents?
Also quick question for you. I count 5 maybe 6 distinct finger prints on the coin. Are those yours? You may be handling the coin incorrectly if they are.
Here's what I'm seeing. The obv has so many I drew lines showing the print line flow. The reverse I circled since they are easier to spot. The ? one looks like at least 1 print but that area is very white washed with light so hard to say for sure if its just 1 print.
Guess The Grade
Nowhere near 64. But if curious and the money burning a hole in your pocket send it in.
If you think ms send in. It’s a $250 coin in 61. To get all the money Certification helps.
New photos posted
Much better photos!
Here is your new photo & the photo from my GTG that is a 63.
Are you still thinking yours is a 64?
Those new photos aren't going to help your cause. Now my guess is au details.
Agreed.
Look at the halos around the lettering.
Indicative of a cleaning.
Lots of hairlines as well.
I would also like to change my vote to AU details. Sorry but the new photos do not show a coin that I would consider unc by any means. Light wear, many abrasions, and it looks like it has been cleaned judging by the halos around the devices and unnatural reflectivity.
Collector, occasional seller
The OP coin is clearly AU, and probably AU details.
I do, however, recommend that Joe "sends it in", since he is not keen on taking his advice, and the $30-$50 in "tuition" might be worth his while.
Save your money. AU55 at best, and that might be a stretch. That coin very well might bag. Those fields sure don't look original, but it might be the oversaturated lighting.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
Hang in there Joe.
The new photos seal it. The coin is not uncirculated and won't grade as such.
As the > @clarkbar04 said:
Yes, totally agree.
I think the new photos look worse. I still think we have a range that starts at AU (details) and ends at MS62 - if the details look is an artifact of the photos.