I want to add an interesting tidbit: 1) In 1908 both the No Motto and w/Motto coins were, 2) The hub used to create the overdate coin was left over from the 1908 No Motto issue, 3) Only w/Motto coins were struck in 1909, 4) The resultant 9/8 coin is with Motto. In essence this coin is a 1909/8 No Motto/Motto. Yeah, yeah, I know, but if you squint real hard you'll see where I'm coming from. ;-)
No intention of damaging the thread and I hope most people have a sense of humor.
That's actually a famous overdate with a collector following. Do you know what it is?
I wouldn't mind knowing what it is..?
It's a 1794-1994 Gallery Mint Museum piece by Ron Landis and Joe Rust. On the reverse at 6 o'clock you can see Ron Landis's monogram. It was struck in 1994 and over 25 years old.
The 1805/4 T-5 was from the earlier obverse hub used 1801 to mid-1805, probably an unused 1804 working die that was overdated. Scot was required to make dies in advance "to provide such a number of each denomination on hand as to prevent unnecessary delays that may be occasioned by breaking." Even though no 1804 half dollars are known, apparently at least one 1804 obverse die was made:
The 1805/4 T-11 came later in the year from the new lower-relief hub. This was a blundered date as the hub that sunk the working die did not exist in 1804, the die was made in mid-1805:
The first half dollar die marriage of 1806 was 1806/5 T-1, which was the only half dollar overdate of any series that was from a previously used die (1805 T-12 & T-13), then annealed, overdated, and hardened. It did not last long, this is terminal DS-5:
Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
I want to add an interesting tidbit: 1) In 1908 both the No Motto and w/Motto coins were, 2) The hub used to create the overdate coin was left over from the 1908 No Motto issue, 3) Only w/Motto coins were struck in 1909, 4) The resultant 9/8 coin is with Motto. In essence this coin is a 1909/8 No Motto/Motto. Yeah, yeah, I know, but if you squint real hard you'll see where I'm coming from. ;-)
Also, the 1909/8 is more common than the 1909.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
The 1805/4 T-11 came later in the year from the new lower-relief hub. This was a blundered date as the hub that sunk the working die did not exist in 1804, the die was made in mid-1805:
There it is!
This is possibly my favorite overdate. I've yet to aquire one and that may be because the 103 in one of it's terminal die states is so much more dramatic than the 101 or 102 that I've always been hoping to find the one I really want..
Plus it's as close to a real 1804 dollar as you can get, right?
There it is!
This is possibly my favorite overdate. I've yet to aquire one and that may be because the 103 in one of it's terminal die states is so much more dramatic than the 101 or 102 that I've always been hoping to find the one I really want..
Plus it's as close to a real 1804 dollar as you can get, right?
Do I remember correctly that once there was an 1804 half dollar listed, but it turned out to be one of these overdates with traces of the 5 removed? Maybe it was described in Taxay...
I've always assumed,maybe wrongly, that our early coin strikers took great pride in their work. But judging by these many overdate examples maybe I must reevaluate that belief. Or that it was all due to the fault of the date punchers.
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@BLUEJAYWAY said:
I've always assumed,maybe wrongly, that our early coin strikers took great pride in their work. But judging by these many overdate examples maybe I must reevaluate that belief. Or that it was all due to the fault of the date punchers.
Quality die steel was a very scarce commodity in the early days of the fledgling US mint and a perfectly good die was not wasted. After the year changed, the mint would simply repunch the date and keep on using the die until it wore out.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@jaypem If you don't have it, would highly recommend the Dr Juan Suros auction catalogue. He had a complete set of US overdates and there are great pictures.
@scubafuel said:
If you don't have it, would highly recommend the Dr Juan Suros auction catalogue. He had a complete set of US overdates and there are great pictures.
Is this catalog available on the Newman Numismatic Portal?
@scubafuel said:
If you don't have it, would highly recommend the Dr Juan Suros auction catalogue. He had a complete set of US overdates and there are great pictures.
Is this catalog available on the Newman Numismatic Portal?
@scubafuel said: @jaypem If you don't have it, would highly recommend the Dr Juan Suros auction catalogue. He had a complete set of US overdates and there are great pictures.
@scubafuel said: @jaypem If you don't have it, would highly recommend the Dr Juan Suros auction catalogue. He had a complete set of US overdates and there are great pictures.
Thank you for reminding me this exists, in addition to the overdates this collection had a terrific array of variety coins.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Friend at work brought his fathers collection for me to appraise.
It was A lot of 90% silver... but then there was an 1853/2 $20 liberty mixed in... Such a cool coin.
Nice find. In grades lower that XF it can be challenging to see the overdate, but you can confirm based on another marker. There is a "die lump" under the R in Liberty, as shown below.
Friend at work brought his fathers collection for me to appraise.
It was A lot of 90% silver... but then there was an 1853/2 $20 liberty mixed in... Such a cool coin.
Nice find. In grades lower that XF it can be challenging to see the overdate, but you can confirm based on another marker. There is a "die lump" under the R in Liberty, as shown below.
Comments
1853/2. This is considered the only overdate in the $20 Liberty series...
1829/7 CBH Overton 101 MS65 with CAC - Will @ricko approve?
https://caimages.collectors.com/coinimages/42396/34941416/521696-3[1].jpg
https://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/34941416_Medium.jpg
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
Easy... okay, a toss-up. These two dates are only known as overdates.
And let's not forget the wild-n-crazy repunched date.
@winesteven.... A definite approval of that 1829 half.....Very nice indeed. Cheers, RickO
I want to add an interesting tidbit: 1) In 1908 both the No Motto and w/Motto coins were, 2) The hub used to create the overdate coin was left over from the 1908 No Motto issue, 3) Only w/Motto coins were struck in 1909, 4) The resultant 9/8 coin is with Motto. In essence this coin is a 1909/8 No Motto/Motto. Yeah, yeah, I know, but if you squint real hard you'll see where I'm coming from. ;-)
It's a 1794-1994 Gallery Mint Museum piece by Ron Landis and Joe Rust. On the reverse at 6 o'clock you can see Ron Landis's monogram. It was struck in 1994 and over 25 years old.
I consider it a great example
The 1805/4 T-5 was from the earlier obverse hub used 1801 to mid-1805, probably an unused 1804 working die that was overdated. Scot was required to make dies in advance "to provide such a number of each denomination on hand as to prevent unnecessary delays that may be occasioned by breaking." Even though no 1804 half dollars are known, apparently at least one 1804 obverse die was made:
The 1805/4 T-11 came later in the year from the new lower-relief hub. This was a blundered date as the hub that sunk the working die did not exist in 1804, the die was made in mid-1805:
The first half dollar die marriage of 1806 was 1806/5 T-1, which was the only half dollar overdate of any series that was from a previously used die (1805 T-12 & T-13), then annealed, overdated, and hardened. It did not last long, this is terminal DS-5:
Also, the 1909/8 is more common than the 1909.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
1 @Nysoto said:
There it is!
This is possibly my favorite overdate. I've yet to aquire one and that may be because the 103 in one of it's terminal die states is so much more dramatic than the 101 or 102 that I've always been hoping to find the one I really want..
Plus it's as close to a real 1804 dollar as you can get, right?
Do I remember correctly that once there was an 1804 half dollar listed, but it turned out to be one of these overdates with traces of the 5 removed? Maybe it was described in Taxay...
Pacific Northwest Numismatic Association
Someday I’ll find one. Agreed @jayPem the 1805/4 103 late due state has so much going on. The coin is full of blunders which makes it awesome.
I see this half eagle has a following......Not my coin, but I've always liked this one.
Here's one that is lesser known but quite noticeable.
I've always assumed,maybe wrongly, that our early coin strikers took great pride in their work. But judging by these many overdate examples maybe I must reevaluate that belief. Or that it was all due to the fault of the date punchers.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Lesser known indeed!
Ive never seen that one and it's amazing ❤️
Quality die steel was a very scarce commodity in the early days of the fledgling US mint and a perfectly good die was not wasted. After the year changed, the mint would simply repunch the date and keep on using the die until it wore out.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
1942/1 PCGS VF30. Bought raw in 1996 for $280.
Fun thread. I don't believe this one was posted yet. 1823/2
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/2819
@jaypem If you don't have it, would highly recommend the Dr Juan Suros auction catalogue. He had a complete set of US overdates and there are great pictures.
Is this catalog available on the Newman Numismatic Portal?
That must have been an amazing collection!
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https://archive.org/details/drjuanxiisurosco1999supe/mode/2up
@yosclimber said:
https://archive.org/details/drjuanxiisurosco1999supe/mode/2up
Thanks! It is a interesting catalog.
That would be an amazing collection!
1839/6
Lance.
The 1844/81. Does this count? The date was stamped upside down. LOL. Lighting was not great back then.
Lance.
One more. Another blunder with the date stamp inverted. The 1851/81.
Lance.
1836/1336 PR64 Cameo
1806/5 DBH
Friend at work brought his fathers collection for me to appraise.
It was A lot of 90% silver... but then there was an 1853/2 $20 liberty mixed in... Such a cool coin.
BHNC #248 … 140 and counting.
Great coins everyone, thanks for posting. Kinda curious to see how many folks say they loved their coins but no longer own it...
Overdates are cool without a loupe and imagination.
Dont own any overdates but they certainly are cool
Thank you for reminding me this exists, in addition to the overdates this collection had a terrific array of variety coins.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Nice find. In grades lower that XF it can be challenging to see the overdate, but you can confirm based on another marker. There is a "die lump" under the R in Liberty, as shown below.
Learn something new every day
BHNC #248 … 140 and counting.