Guess the grade. Toned $20 St Gaudens. TrueView posted.
Just picked this up today. I have not seen many toned St Gaudens, so had to buy it when I saw it! It's a decent date, too. I hope to try crossing it to PCGS.
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Hm, nice coin. Interesting color. Good luck with the cross!
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I’m no expert but I’ve never seen gold look like that. Good luck to you.
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I don't remember ever seeing a Saint with that much toning. Good luck with PCGS and let us know what grade they give it.
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Wow! That is a Saint for Memorial Day weekend!
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@CoinJunkie said:
I think a crossover to PCGS is a long shot. Hope I'm wrong.Why? Do you think it's not an AU55?
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I’m one of those guys that likes it.
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The piece does not look original to me. AU details. It looks doctored to me.
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Beautiful!
....I'd like to see a TrueView but understand why you might want to keep in the ICG holder.
BTW...Here is 1924 MS68 Pop 1/0 (Bella/Private)
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@PerryHall said:
@CoinJunkie said:
I think a crossover to PCGS is a long shot. Hope I'm wrong.Why? Do you think it's not an AU55?
The surfaces look rather funky. I tried to cross a couple of ANACS bust halves with darker (somewhat "burnt") toning several years ago and wasn't successful. I'm not saying PCGS won't cross it, but I wouldn't be expecting it. AU55 seems reasonable from the perspective of wear.
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Good luck !!!
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To me gold should look like gold. The copper in the alloy can tone sometimes to produce a beautiful warm color, which adds to the value of the piece in my opinion, but dark streaks or purple are a major negative for me. I don’t care whose holder it is in, I won’t buy it.
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That coin has been artificially colored....I do not think PCGS will straight grade it....Let us know if you submit it. Cheers, RickO
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That toning gives that coin character and it's far more interesting to look at than the thousands of dipped out Saints that have been slabbed. I don't see anything that would preclude it from straight grading at PCGS. If it were my coin, I would just leave it in its ICG slab since I agree with the grade of AU55. Sometimes it's about the coin.
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@ricko said:
That coin has been artificially colored....I do not think PCGS will straight grade it....Let us know if you submit it. Cheers, RickOI think there’s an excellent chance that the coin hasn’t been artificially toned.
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supposed color issues are likely related with the photo editing/software. Natural coin and I think it will easily cross, possible 58.
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More likely it was stored for a long time in a leather pouch or purse possibly in an attic or basement with a high humidity.
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Fantastic $20. I’ve seen a few straight graded PCGS examples with similar toning. Keep us in the loop if you try to cross her. Great looking gold!
Dave
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When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail... or artificial toning... or something like that
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Here is the in hand video of it
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Luster looks really strong. I retract my earlier comment about a crossover being a long shot.
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@PerryHall said:
That toning gives that coin character and it's far more interesting to look at than the thousands of dipped out Saints that have been slabbed. I don't see anything that would preclude it from straight grading at PCGS. If it were my coin, I would just leave it in its ICG slab since I agree with the grade of AU55. Sometimes it's about the coin.I agree with you but that doesn’t change that many are attracted to the liquidity boost that having their coins in PCGS holder bring if not outright additional value.
Also while the ICG Holder is aligned at what I consider the value of the coin to be as a Cir (Gold $ tied) type generic, I don’t think anyone would disagree that having the coin in a PCGS holder would be a key step to obtaining a toning premium upon resale.
If that coin is worth a toning premium, I make no call as any toning premium past normal PQ eye appeal territory for the pretty crowd never made sense to me. Especially on generics. If a rarity is also a rarity in the looks department...ok all bets are off but guys paying used car prices for 81s because of pretty colors.... I don’t get it
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@CoinJunkie said:
Luster looks really strong. I retract my earlier comment about a crossover being a long shot.To clarify, I just want a straight grade in a PCGS holder. I did not care if it crossed at grade.
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@jwitten said:
@CoinJunkie said:
Luster looks really strong. I retract my earlier comment about a crossover being a long shot.To clarify, I just want a straight grade in a PCGS holder. I did not care if it crossed at grade.
I don’t see that grading or crossing. But I would almost guarantee it wouldn’t cross. If you really want it graded, crack and let them hit it with the sniffer. Best chance
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@Crypto said:
@jwitten said:
@CoinJunkie said:
Luster looks really strong. I retract my earlier comment about a crossover being a long shot.To clarify, I just want a straight grade in a PCGS holder. I did not care if it crossed at grade.
I don’t see that grading or crossing. But I would almost guarantee it wouldn’t cross. If you really want it graded, crack and let them hit it with the sniffer. Best chance
My 2c & JMHO
It has a very similar look to the top pop 1924... These colors do happen on gold, just rare.
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There is also an excellent chance PCGS won’t holder it due to it’s status as an outlier regardless of origin simply as a conservative posture for future liability due to the niche’s history of abuse.
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True. But thankfully, they have a pretty good track record of straight grading my gold toners. My complete Indian set was straight graded, for example. I've only had one gold toner come back not straight graded (below), and they called it environmental damage. I'm guessing they thought it was a fire piece. It's actually one of my favorites, and I hope it will eventually find a straight grade one day.
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Those are some killer toned gold pieces!
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@jwitten said:
Here is the in hand video of itThe video makes the color look more subtle and market acceptable to me. I think it has a chance of receiving a straight grade (more so than I did initially).
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I like it and it's a nice change from many of the generic looking Saints. If it were me, I'd leave it be unless
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nice. crack it and maybe a 58
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Looks better in the video for sure. I think it might end up in a PCGS holder, but it’s going to be uphill sledding to try it as a crossover. Graders will take the easy route if in doubt.
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The last auction record for a PCGS AU55 was around current spot and this is ICG after all. Crack it and submit as raw.
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@Crypto said:
@jwitten said:
@CoinJunkie said:
Luster looks really strong. I retract my earlier comment about a crossover being a long shot.To clarify, I just want a straight grade in a PCGS holder. I did not care if it crossed at grade.
I don’t see that grading or crossing. But I would almost guarantee it wouldn’t cross. If you really want it graded, crack and let them hit it with the sniffer. Best chance
My 2c & JMHO
Does PCGS even use the "sniffer" anymore? @BrettPCGS
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Cool coin.
I think the coin will likely straight grade.
I would crack and submit raw. Coin is cool either way. Icg means nothing.
J
Here is an indian (Pcgs AU55 CAC) for those that think extreme toned gold is fake.
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Nice!
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@coinlieutenant said:
Cool coin.I think the coin will likely straight grade.
I would crack and submit raw. Coin is cool either way. Icg means nothing.
J
Here is an indian (Pcgs AU55 CAC) for those that think extreme toned gold is fake.
I still regret selling that one! One of the best Eagles out there.
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You would have a better chance of cracking it out and getting a straight grade or even an upgrade, than sending it in that holder for a cross. If not, then just leave it, and enjoy.
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Messing around with a new camera tonight. Not perfect, but not terrible
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It would be cool if you could figure out some way of drawing out more of the purple like your 29 Indian.
Now that I'm basically done with my serious saint set, I'm starting to purchase interesting ones like yours.
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Did you ever cross it to PCGS?
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Never saw this in the first go-round. Looks like maybe a leather pouch stored coin. While gold itself doesn't tone, isn't pure gold, and the alloys in it do.
I've noticed that circulated gold tends to tone more vividly than unc coins, or is it just me?MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.1 -
If it crosses, do you think it will get a green bean?
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Don’t like the 1914 $20 looks like dipped in laquer. Expect a details grade on cross....if not AT.
So dull looking / body bag on this one? Such an unnatural look for Saint.
Start it on the Bay at melt and get rid of it.
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@Cougar1978 said:
Don’t like the 1914 $20 looks like dipped in laquer. Expect a details grade on cross....if not AT.So dull looking / body bag on this one? Such an unnatural look for Saint.
Dull looking? Did you watch the video showing the luster?
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Here she is broken out of her tomb. One shot shows color best, one shows luster best. Depending on how the light hits it, it looks like both.
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