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Guess the grade. Toned $20 St Gaudens. TrueView posted.

jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited September 28, 2020 7:50PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Just picked this up today. I have not seen many toned St Gaudens, so had to buy it when I saw it! It's a decent date, too. I hope to try crossing it to PCGS.


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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hm, nice coin. Interesting color. Good luck with the cross!

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m no expert but I’ve never seen gold look like that. Good luck to you.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,814 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't remember ever seeing a Saint with that much toning. Good luck with PCGS and let us know what grade they give it. :)

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  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow! That is a Saint for Memorial Day weekend!

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think a crossover to PCGS is a long shot. Hope I'm wrong.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,814 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinJunkie said:
    I think a crossover to PCGS is a long shot. Hope I'm wrong.

    Why? Do you think it's not an AU55?

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m one of those guys that likes it.
    Good luck with the crossover.

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The piece does not look original to me. AU details. It looks doctored to me.

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @CoinJunkie said:
    I think a crossover to PCGS is a long shot. Hope I'm wrong.

    Why? Do you think it's not an AU55?

    The surfaces look rather funky. I tried to cross a couple of ANACS bust halves with darker (somewhat "burnt") toning several years ago and wasn't successful. I'm not saying PCGS won't cross it, but I wouldn't be expecting it. AU55 seems reasonable from the perspective of wear.

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good luck !!! :)

    Timbuk3
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coin has been artificially colored....I do not think PCGS will straight grade it....Let us know if you submit it. Cheers, RickO

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,829 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    That coin has been artificially colored....I do not think PCGS will straight grade it....Let us know if you submit it. Cheers, RickO

    I think there’s an excellent chance that the coin hasn’t been artificially toned.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    supposed color issues are likely related with the photo editing/software. Natural coin and I think it will easily cross, possible 58.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin!

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,814 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @ricko said:
    That coin has been artificially colored....I do not think PCGS will straight grade it....Let us know if you submit it. Cheers, RickO

    I think there’s an excellent chance that the coin hasn’t been artificially toned.

    More likely it was stored for a long time in a leather pouch or purse possibly in an attic or basement with a high humidity.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,684 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fantastic $20. I’ve seen a few straight graded PCGS examples with similar toning. Keep us in the loop if you try to cross her. Great looking gold!

    Dave

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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Luster looks really strong. I retract my earlier comment about a crossover being a long shot. :)

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    That toning gives that coin character and it's far more interesting to look at than the thousands of dipped out Saints that have been slabbed. I don't see anything that would preclude it from straight grading at PCGS. If it were my coin, I would just leave it in its ICG slab since I agree with the grade of AU55. Sometimes it's about the coin.

    I agree with you but that doesn’t change that many are attracted to the liquidity boost that having their coins in PCGS holder bring if not outright additional value.

    Also while the ICG Holder is aligned at what I consider the value of the coin to be as a Cir (Gold $ tied) type generic, I don’t think anyone would disagree that having the coin in a PCGS holder would be a key step to obtaining a toning premium upon resale.

    If that coin is worth a toning premium, I make no call as any toning premium past normal PQ eye appeal territory for the pretty crowd never made sense to me. Especially on generics. If a rarity is also a rarity in the looks department...ok all bets are off but guys paying used car prices for 81s because of pretty colors.... I don’t get it :#

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinJunkie said:
    Luster looks really strong. I retract my earlier comment about a crossover being a long shot. :)

    To clarify, I just want a straight grade in a PCGS holder. I did not care if it crossed at grade.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jwitten said:

    @CoinJunkie said:
    Luster looks really strong. I retract my earlier comment about a crossover being a long shot. :)

    To clarify, I just want a straight grade in a PCGS holder. I did not care if it crossed at grade.

    I don’t see that grading or crossing. But I would almost guarantee it wouldn’t cross. If you really want it graded, crack and let them hit it with the sniffer. Best chance

    My 2c & JMHO

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:

    @jwitten said:

    @CoinJunkie said:
    Luster looks really strong. I retract my earlier comment about a crossover being a long shot. :)

    To clarify, I just want a straight grade in a PCGS holder. I did not care if it crossed at grade.

    I don’t see that grading or crossing. But I would almost guarantee it wouldn’t cross. If you really want it graded, crack and let them hit it with the sniffer. Best chance

    My 2c & JMHO

    It has a very similar look to the top pop 1924... These colors do happen on gold, just rare.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @ricko said:
    That coin has been artificially colored....I do not think PCGS will straight grade it....Let us know if you submit it. Cheers, RickO

    I think there’s an excellent chance that the coin hasn’t been artificially toned.

    There is also an excellent chance PCGS won’t holder it due to it’s status as an outlier regardless of origin simply as a conservative posture for future liability due to the niche’s history of abuse.

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those are some killer toned gold pieces!

  • CommencentsCommencents Posts: 349 ✭✭✭

    I like it and it's a nice change from many of the generic looking Saints. If it were me, I'd leave it be unless
    I were to sell it.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭✭✭

    nice. crack it and maybe a 58

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks better in the video for sure. I think it might end up in a PCGS holder, but it’s going to be uphill sledding to try it as a crossover. Graders will take the easy route if in doubt.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The last auction record for a PCGS AU55 was around current spot and this is ICG after all. Crack it and submit as raw.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2020 12:53AM

    @Crypto said:

    @jwitten said:

    @CoinJunkie said:
    Luster looks really strong. I retract my earlier comment about a crossover being a long shot. :)

    To clarify, I just want a straight grade in a PCGS holder. I did not care if it crossed at grade.

    I don’t see that grading or crossing. But I would almost guarantee it wouldn’t cross. If you really want it graded, crack and let them hit it with the sniffer. Best chance

    My 2c & JMHO

    Does PCGS even use the "sniffer" anymore? @BrettPCGS

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinlieutenant said:
    Cool coin.

    I think the coin will likely straight grade.

    I would crack and submit raw. Coin is cool either way. Icg means nothing.

    J

    Here is an indian (Pcgs AU55 CAC) for those that think extreme toned gold is fake.

    I still regret selling that one! One of the best Eagles out there.

  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You would have a better chance of cracking it out and getting a straight grade or even an upgrade, than sending it in that holder for a cross. If not, then just leave it, and enjoy. B)

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2, 2020 12:33PM

    It would be cool if you could figure out some way of drawing out more of the purple like your 29 Indian.

    Now that I'm basically done with my serious saint set, I'm starting to purchase interesting ones like yours.
    I picked up a spotted one recently that I'd like to have a better picture of.

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did you ever cross it to PCGS?

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  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never saw this in the first go-round. Looks like maybe a leather pouch stored coin. While gold itself doesn't tone, isn't pure gold, and the alloys in it do.
    I've noticed that circulated gold tends to tone more vividly than unc coins, or is it just me?

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  • If it crosses, do you think it will get a green bean?

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ms70 said:
    Did you ever cross it to PCGS?

    Not yet. I have vouchers that expire in November, so it will be at least by then. I may try getting it sent off pretty soon.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2020 7:34AM

    Don’t like the 1914 $20 looks like dipped in laquer. Expect a details grade on cross....if not AT.

    So dull looking / body bag on this one? Such an unnatural look for Saint.

    Start it on the Bay at melt and get rid of it.

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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cougar1978 said:
    Don’t like the 1914 $20 looks like dipped in laquer. Expect a details grade on cross....if not AT.

    So dull looking / body bag on this one? Such an unnatural look for Saint.

    Dull looking? Did you watch the video showing the luster?

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