Die break? Shattered Die? Struck through? PMD?

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coindude88
coindude88 Posts: 61 ✭
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What does this look like to you? Has die cracks from rim to rim but appears to be struck through?!

This is a 1998 Lincoln Penny. (zinc)

Mint Error? This doesn't look like P.M.D. to me...


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  • yosclimber
    yosclimber Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Although your photos are fairly good,
    it's hard to tell from a photo if the dark lines are raised areas (from die cracks), or just changes in color.
    I don't see the lines on top of the columns/pillars, so I don't think they are die cracks.

  • AUandAG
    AUandAG Posts: 25,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    struck thru maybe?

    bob :)

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  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I can’t tell anything about the lines from the photos, but the obvious environmental damage makes me wonder if the two are connected.

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  • Namvet69
    Namvet69 Posts: 9,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So if the thing that runs from 4 to 10 on the rev is a trough, then you probably have a strike thru. Discoloration might just be from circulation. Would like to see the obv. Peace Roy

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  • ricko
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    If the anomaly from 4 to 10 is not a stain, and is actually depressed, it could be a planchet flaw. I believe a strike through would be apparent on the columns if that were the cause. Cheers, RickO

  • coindude88
    coindude88 Posts: 61 ✭
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    @Namvet69 said:
    So if the thing that runs from 4 to 10 on the rev is a trough, then you probably have a strike thru. Discoloration might just be from circulation. Would like to see the obv. Peace Roy

    Just checked it and it's definitely a trough and not raised like a die crack which I first thought.

    I'm thinking definite struck through.

    @Namvet69 said:
    So if the thing that runs from 4 to 10 on the rev is a trough, then you probably have a strike thru. Discoloration might just be from circulation. Would like to see the obv. Peace Roy

  • Oldhoopster
    Oldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @coindude88 said:

    @Namvet69 said:
    So if the thing that runs from 4 to 10 on the rev is a trough, then you probably have a strike thru. Discoloration might just be from circulation. Would like to see the obv. Peace Roy

    Just checked it and it's definitely a trough and not raised like a die crack which I first thought.

    I'm thinking definite struck through.

    @Namvet69 said:
    So if the thing that runs from 4 to 10 on the rev is a trough, then you probably have a strike thru. Discoloration might just be from circulation. Would like to see the obv. Peace Roy

    Wow. Look at the zinc rot on the obverse

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  • coindude88
    coindude88 Posts: 61 ✭
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    @Oldhoopster said:

    @coindude88 said:

    @Namvet69 said:
    So if the thing that runs from 4 to 10 on the rev is a trough, then you probably have a strike thru. Discoloration might just be from circulation. Would like to see the obv. Peace Roy

    Just checked it and it's definitely a trough and not raised like a die crack which I first thought.

    I'm thinking definite struck through.

    @Namvet69 said:
    So if the thing that runs from 4 to 10 on the rev is a trough, then you probably have a strike thru. Discoloration might just be from circulation. Would like to see the obv. Peace Roy

    Wow. Look at the zinc rot on the obverse

    I know what a bummer. Would you say a reverse strike through tho?

  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    There should never be any confusion between a die crack and a struckthru. One is raised and one is incuse.

    Your cent might have some sort of error but with all that environmental damage I am automatically suspicious that it is PMD until proven otherwise.

  • tincup
    tincup Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If it was a strike through, enough to depress the fields (indicating the strike through object was not retained), then shouldn't the columns also be affected? They show no sign of a strike through and show strong details.

    If it was a strike through, and the object struck was retained... then the fields should be flat. The fields would also be flat if it is a planchet flaw such as a retained lamination?

    ----- kj
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  • Jimnight
    Jimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I can't tell.

  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The obverse shows plating issues, so I'm sure the reverse has them as well. The environmental damage probably includes some staining and even corrosion that could give the impression of a ridge if poked with a stick. As mentioned, the detailed in the alleged struck-through area is too sharp.

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