Home› U.S. Coin Forum

1904 Gold $20 Raw Please grade

coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,760 ✭✭✭✭✭
in U.S. Coin Forum

I think I have a few hot spots from lighting but should give a general idea.
Raw pics, only cropped. What grade do you say? Thinking about using it for a counter-struck coin.
Or, use a lower grade? Purchase for reasonable price but can always find another if this is worth grading.
Thanks in advance.
.
.

.
.

CoinsAreFun Pictorials Album
.
CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
.
Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
.
More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC

Comments

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice 62, maybe even a + Congrats!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™
    Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????

  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,697 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a 62. Possible 63?

    Collector
    91 Positive BST transactions buying and selling with 56 members and counting!
    instagram.com/klnumismatics

  • ffcoinsffcoins Posts: 518 ✭✭✭

    I was thinking 61 but could be sold on 62. Worth keeping I’d say!

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63.

  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a small rim bruise at 9:00 obverse. I don't see a lot of luster so MS62 is my guess as well. This is truly a bullion coin.

  • Tom147Tom147 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hmmm. Gold isn't my thing but I'm going 61. Sorry

  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

    My Ebay Coin Store
  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    61/62

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 5, 2020 7:33PM

    AU53-55 use some acetone to get the PCV off the center of the Rev.

  • PearlsbeforePearlsbefore Posts: 49 ✭

    I don't think you could buy that coin as an AU. The side that does not count looks like a 64.

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62/62+

  • Wahoo554Wahoo554 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 5, 2020 8:55PM

    62

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First thought was 62.

    My Roosevelt Dime Registry Set
  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Before doing anything, give that coin an acetone bath--there is a bit of PVC gunk (green).
    It does look like a 62. Since the 1904 is the most common Lib double eagle, I would not spend money getting it graded. This does depend on your view of its premium to melt.

    Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA

    RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'

    CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:
    I guess the good news is there is little difference in price from a 62 all the way down to a 3.

    mark

    A 3 is probably worth more in this era of Lowball mania... >:)

    My Roosevelt Dime Registry Set
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm going to go MS61. Lots of cheek chatter.

  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,760 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you everyone. Again I appreciate all the eyes on my coin as I can’t believe I missed the pvc...duh :-)
    I didn’t see it but now that’s all I can see......lol
    .
    I personally thought it was a 62. Therefore it will be a superb coin to be counterstruck after a bath
    in acetone.
    One this one is counterstruck I will show it off here.

    CoinsAreFun Pictorials Album
    .
    CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
    .
    Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
    .
    More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't wait to see what you have planned for it!

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55

  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 7,002 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A very nice mint state coin!

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,885 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2020 4:22AM

    This looks like a fairly clean mint state example. I've seen NGC/PCGS MS63 Liberty $20 coins with more scuffs and more contact marks than this one has. I wouldn't use it for an overstrike since there's enough junk Liberty $20 that would work for an overstrike.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with the 62 camp...and the green gunk needs to come off....I am sure you have a good reason for adding a counter-strike Stef, so full speed ahead and be sure to show us when done... ;) Cheers, RickO

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe it's my interpretation of the picture but I see what appears as obvious wear to me at Liberty's brow and the hair above...it has a noticeable color change to me. Seems we are not going to find out anyway as it will become an uncirculated overstruck coin!

    @Boosibri said:
    62. How does someone see this as an AU53/55???

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    Maybe it's my interpretation of the picture but I see what appears as obvious wear to me at Liberty's brow and the hair above...it has a noticeable color change to me. Seems we are not going to find out anyway as it will become an uncirculated overstruck coin!

    @Boosibri said:
    62. How does someone see this as an AU53/55???

    Do you see any wear on the reverse? I've never seen a coin with circulation wear on only one side.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,952 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    Maybe it's my interpretation of the picture but I see what appears as obvious wear to me at Liberty's brow and the hair above...it has a noticeable color change to me. Seems we are not going to find out anyway as it will become an uncirculated overstruck coin!

    @Boosibri said:
    62. How does someone see this as an AU53/55???

    Do you see any wear on the reverse? I've never seen a coin with circulation wear on only one side.

    Good point. And in addition to that, neither the rims nor the fields give the appearance of a circulated coin.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Boosibri said:
    62. How does someone see this as an AU53/55???

    Without my glasses on?

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    Maybe it's my interpretation of the picture but I see what appears as obvious wear to me at Liberty's brow and the hair above...it has a noticeable color change to me. Seems we are not going to find out anyway as it will become an uncirculated overstruck coin!

    @Boosibri said:
    62. How does someone see this as an AU53/55???

    Do you see any wear on the reverse? I've never seen a coin with circulation wear on only one side.

    Good point. And in addition to that, neither the rims nor the fields give the appearance of a circulated coin.

    Agree. The luster in the fields appear to be undisturbed as far as wear goes. Nice coin. I hate to see it get destroyed when there are so many junk double eagles that are essentially scrap gold in the marketplace.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,760 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    Maybe it's my interpretation of the picture but I see what appears as obvious wear to me at Liberty's brow and the hair above...it has a noticeable color change to me. Seems we are not going to find out anyway as it will become an uncirculated overstruck coin!

    @Boosibri said:
    62. How does someone see this as an AU53/55???

    @amwldcoin those are not wear points. But, they are areas wear I had to much light
    pointing at the coin. It tends to show up as wear or white spots.

    CoinsAreFun Pictorials Album
    .
    CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
    .
    Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
    .
    More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say 75% of my AU58 Barber Halves have MS64 or better reverses with light wear on the obv. The reverses of most coins are IMHO less prone to wear...IE the obv usually gets wear 1st.

    @PerryHall said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    Maybe it's my interpretation of the picture but I see what appears as obvious wear to me at Liberty's brow and the hair above...it has a noticeable color change to me. Seems we are not going to find out anyway as it will become an uncirculated overstruck coin!

    @Boosibri said:
    62. How does someone see this as an AU53/55???

    Do you see any wear on the reverse? I've never seen a coin with circulation wear on only one side.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I understand. That's why I said my interpretation of the picture and thanks for the follow up!

    @coinsarefun said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    Maybe it's my interpretation of the picture but I see what appears as obvious wear to me at Liberty's brow and the hair above...it has a noticeable color change to me. Seems we are not going to find out anyway as it will become an uncirculated overstruck coin!

    @Boosibri said:
    62. How does someone see this as an AU53/55???

    @amwldcoin those are not wear points. But, they are areas wear I had to much light
    pointing at the coin. It tends to show up as wear or white spots.

  • s4nys4ny Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭

    62, but I would not argue with 63. Nice.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62 here.

    My YouTube Channel

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2020 12:32PM

    MS62

    Investor
  • PearlsbeforePearlsbefore Posts: 49 ✭
    edited May 6, 2020 8:47PM

    @PerryHall said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    Maybe it's my interpretation of the picture but I see what appears as obvious wear to me at Liberty's brow and the hair above...it has a noticeable color change to me. Seems we are not going to find out anyway as it will become an uncirculated overstruck coin!

    @Boosibri said:
    62. How does someone see this as an AU53/55???

    Do you see any wear on the reverse? I've never seen a coin with circulation wear on only one side.

    I have and mostly on Morgan Dollars and twenty dollar Liberty coins. The reverse is generally the best side with the fewest marks and the least amount of wear. I'm with the 63 graders that I agreed with at the beginning. But don't pay much attention to a one star member as I don't claim to know how to grade like all of you.

  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62+

    Dave

    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63.
    Lance.

    Coin Photography Services / Everyman Registry set / BHNC #213
  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭

    62, possibly 63.

  • panexpoguypanexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it is a pretty solid 63

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-63.

    It has a number of small marks on the face, but nothing huge. Two green spots on the reverse should be removed with acetone.

    This is graded MS-63, and it's been in this holder for over a decade.


    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Im in the 62 camp.

    problem is, unless they are solid 64+ common dates aren't bringing much more than the 58's, 61's 2's

  • PearlsbeforePearlsbefore Posts: 49 ✭

    @jdimmick said:

    problem is, unless they are solid 64+ common dates aren't bringing much more than the 58's, 61's 2's

    We were asked to grade the coin. Does a 63 sell for a lot more than a 61 or 62?

    Actual question: Is a PCGS MS-63 worth more than an ANACS 64 with a CAC sticker?

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pearlsbefore said:

    @jdimmick said:

    problem is, unless they are solid 64+ common dates aren't bringing much more than the 58's, 61's 2's

    We were asked to grade the coin. Does a 63 sell for a lot more than a 61 or 62?

    Actual question: Is a PCGS MS-63 worth more than an ANACS 64 with a CAC sticker?

    An ANACS 64 with a CAC sticker would be quite a rare coin. :D

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pearlsbefore said:

    @jdimmick said:

    problem is, unless they are solid 64+ common dates aren't bringing much more than the 58's, 61's 2's

    We were asked to grade the coin. Does a 63 sell for a lot more than a 61 or 62?

    Actual question: Is a PCGS MS-63 worth more than an ANACS 64 with a CAC sticker?

    That's a unicorn. CAC won't sticker ANACS

    But in answer to your question: a PCGS 63 won't sell for more than a MS60, probably for no more than an XF coin. That coin is bullion until at least 64, probably 65 with the current premiums.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Format
SpoilerCodeQuote
Heading 2Heading 1
Emoji
:):D:(;):/:o:s:p:'(:|B):#:*<3o:)>:)
Url
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file
Home • U.S. Coin ForumComment As ...