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RedstoneCoins
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I had a poll asking for opinions on banning Chinese-origin counterfeit coins on eBay, but now the page is completely gone.
Where did it go?
I did not get an email about it being removed.
Is this a mistake?
Whoever is behind the scenes, please let me know. I would like all correspondence about this issue to be public, since the poll (and all responses) were public. Thank you.
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It was closed by the moderators
Probably removed due to the inherent discriminatory nature of the question. Cheers, RickO
Just forget it
It went
I am asking only moderators this question.
Respectfully, unless someone here is a moderator, I am not interested in speculative answers. I just want the truth, not speculation.
Removing someone's post is pretty serious. It's like taking someone's voice away, along with the voice of every person who responded. I take offense to the idea that my voice could be silenced merely because someone didn't agree with my opinion (or the 75% of respondents who agreed with me, in some form).
If it was removed deliberately, why was I not emailed or given any notice at all?
If it was removed, and this is not an error, what rule did my poll break? Don't I have a right to know when my posts are removed, and for what reason?
I would think that reasonable people could at least have the respect to inform someone that their post would be removed, rather than silently doing things behind the curtain to remove someone's speech without telling them. Assuming that's what happened.
Then why not contact a moderator directly, instead of starting a thread?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
As I said in my first post, the poll was public, as were all of its' responses. I believe it's fair that the reasons for the removal of the poll be public as well, since the public gave their opinions in the poll.
75% of respondents agreed with the poll, in some form. To secretly remove every person's response without telling them seems wrong to me. People deserve an answer when their speech is silenced. That is fair.
A familiar scenario is in progress.
Your thread/poll was closed by the moderators. Not speculation, fact. There was a big, red closed at the end of the thread.
Moderation has been discussed ad nauseum on this this forum. What’s fair, why were people banned, etc. You can complain all you want, but the bottom line is that the owners can close any thread and moderate/ban any member, for any reason they darn well please with or without any explanation. It’s their site. Don’t like it? Then you’re out of luck. Simple as that.
One other thing. Don't assume that just because 75% of the people agreed with your poll question means that they are all upset that your poll got poofed. Just sayin'
Another example of why we need the disagree button.
The moderators are totally within their powers and rights, and they are also correct.
No. If you are told, it's a courtesy extended to you. Fortunately, the mods will respond to PMs.
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A lot of well intended threads about U.S coins that I started in the past were zapped. And they were about coins. This place doesn't afford you "rights".
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Been there. You'll get over it.
Can't we all just talk CAC?
TopStuf:
ok, what good does CAC do for these members who do not even know what it is ?
OR who do not wish to afford it? Or who do not have any coins even closely qualifying for it?
I bet there are many here???
topstuf is just making a joke (about how very many threads degenerate into arguments about the importance or unimportance of CAC). Chill.
Anybody who does this forum has to have some idea what CAC is - although there are constant misconceptions.
Hmmmm, Poking at the Beast eh? Hope you don't get your icon changed.
BNB-like drama.
BNB-like drama.
Now, you've got me wishing that I'd read the thread, because it's quite a statement to reference BNB to almost any other post.
I knew it would happen.
I for see a closed sign being hung here in the future (maybe)
Your post on this thread - you just rewrote history and left out some important words and phrases with your question.
Asking about counterfeits is one thing, asking for a ban on all addresses from a country? Jeez, pretty much all of your posting themes sounds so familiar...
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Keep digging.
It has been a while since I registered here at CU, but I assume that when you sign up there is a little check box that you need to populate to certify that you agree to their terms and conditions. You don't have "rights" here. You post at their discretion.
I didn't open your other thread in time so I missed whatever occurred. No matter how sincere or well-intentioned it was, it ran afoul of some policy. It may have been the poll itself or the direction some of the posts were taking.
I would not take a closed or deleted thread too personally. Save that for if you get banned.
And a word of advice - in my experience here, starting new a thread about a closed or deleted thread is usually not a good idea.
I think Chuck Norris closed the poll.
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Does Chuck Norris fear CAC?
CAC puts a Chuck Norris sticker on coins that it feels are beyond describing with a mere grade.
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You get bonus Brownie points for consistency!
Where’s my mommy?
Hopefully Heather is chill and will allow the dawning realization from the OP that he is not owed a response.
"She comes out of the sun in a silk dress,
running like a water color in the rain...."
If you notice he did get a LOL from her.
Now if only anyone gets it ...................
..........peace would guide the planets.
I'm almost to the point of making a POLL to see who thinks I am a die hard CAC person.
Might take the wayback machine to do the research.
PM a moderator.
While your waiting for a response it might be helpful to refresh yourself on the bare-bone rules (stickied at the top of the forum.)
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1009079/pcgs-forum-rules-and-guidelines
@RedstoneCoins thinks: "Removing someone's post is pretty serious."
It sure is. Let's get serious and remove this discussion!
Now that is a powerful response in its own right.
My guess is that she is letting the forum handle this one.
After a LOL, I'll bet she did contact him in a PM.
What's worse is to allow China to sell billions of fake gold, silver, and other counterfeit U.S. coins by the boatload, while censoring any posts on the website for the #1 coin-verification service in the world that call for solutions to the problem.
I don't care if my question offended you. You don't have a right to not be offended. Free people DO have the right to call for solutions and work as a community to solve problems. And the best way to solve any problem is to first TALK about it, as a community, which was the entire point of my poll. There are far few too many people trying to solve the elephant-in-the-room sized problem with coins: that is acknowledging that our #1 problem and enemy is mass-counterfeiting, most of it originating overseas, most specifically originating from China.
These counterfeiters are causing innocent people to suffer, collectively, billions of dollars in damages to their hard-earned savings by selling them fakes that will be worthless when the time comes to sell. American citizens have spent their lives working hard, diligently saving their money, only to be scammed by crooks selling fake coins. The idea that we aren't even allowed to discussion potential solutions to the problem because 'it might offend someone' is absurd.
What's worse is that now counterfeiters have moved beyond faking mere raw coins and bars and have started faking PCGS & NGC-certified graded coins, which should particularly motivate PCGS as a company, along with all of you, as dedicated coin collectors and dealers, to take action and push for bold solutions that will result in real change, to stop the flow of such counterfeits into our country. Clearly, the 2014 CCPA didn't do enough, as I still see numerous fake graded (and ungraded) coins daily. We need better laws, and in order to reach a consensus on what will work most effectively, we need to be allowed to discuss this as a community.
The idea that you would call for my censorship, merely because I asked a simple question - while you ignore the true problem and elephant in the room - mass counterfeiting actively destroying people's life savings - shows how horribly backwards your priorities are.
I am trying to help people. You are trying to not offend people. At least one of us is trying to help people. It clearly isn't you.
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Very well said. And since the thread hasn’t been closed, it appears that the counterfeiting problem can still be discussed.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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The OP is consistent if nothing else. Ha ha
I think hobbyists should be concerned over the repercussions of the counterfeit problem. And I welcome ideas and discussion about how to combat it.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Revenues from China are around 7% of their total revenues and further, even with a good earnings report yesterday, the stock tanked 10%.
They are not in a position to anger the Chinese market by supporting some inane ban, as you suggested.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
This press release is from 6 years ago. This part of their business probably factors in to the decision.
So follow in the footsteps of the NBA ?
OP still doesn't get it.
Chinese counterfeits have nothing to do with PCGS forum rules.
It will be difficult for you to have a constructive discussion if you unnecessarily antagonize our hosts.
Pretty much everything you have said here would be allowed but but the wording on the poll was apparently too much. As others have said, PCGS has a hand in the Chinese market and I am sure they want to expand that.
1) I never labeled 100% of Chinese people as "crooks". As I said, in the thread for my original poll, 99% of Morgan silver dollars listed on eBay from China are fakes. Obviously there are honest coin sellers in China, but from what I see on eBay (and Wish, and Amazon, and Alibaba, and numerous other e-commerce websites), most Chinese coin sellers are selling fakes. Those are the facts.
My poll included a third open-ended option (which you seem to omit in your description of my poll), which included the ability to review and "vet" individual sellers and dealers in China, to verify that they're honest, legitimate sellers and not crooks. But the status quo of just anyone being allowed to create a fly-by-night 'popup shop' on eBay, to sell thousands of fake coins that flood into USA - (the flawed status quo) - well, that CLEARLY isn't helping Americans avoid scams. Something has to be done to stop the crooks. My personal opinion is that licensing of coin dealing on eBay and elsewhere if the seller is from outside the USA would be better than nothing, and maybe it could include all foreign countries (not just China alone, as seems to be your concern) and therefore that would make it more "fair".
For you to say that my poll did not include any solution, or a variety of solutions to the counterfeiting problem, is simply false. It clearly did offer those solutions. Whether you agree with the options provided therein as being efficacious or the most effective option of all possible options is not _ equivalent to saying it isn't a solution _at all, because the requirement for defining a successful solution would be dependent on whether or not the solution achieved its' intended goal - stopping the flood of Chinese counterfeits into America. And even under the most restrictive answer offered within my poll options - a total ban on Chinese listings of American coins on eBay - that would most certainly reduce the amount of Chinese counterfeit coins coming into America. By 100%, to be exact.
So don't say it's "not a solution". It would be one, just with an unfortunate side effect of collateral damage to the few legitimate Chinese sellers of American coins (which is why I included a licensing option in the poll options, as described above.)
2) You're lying when you say that you never called for me to be censored. In the original poll, you left a comment calling for me or my poll to be censored, and now even in this thread, you said on October 30, 5:39AM "It should have been shut down", stating your support for censoring my poll, along with those who responded to it. You support censoring my speech. To say you don't is a bold-faced lie.
Now, if you want to have a productive conversation about confronting the counterfeiting epidemic, we can have that. But if you continue to contradict yourself while calling for my censorship, I have no interest in being censored or talking to people who want me to be censored.