To the guys here absolutely crucifiying Luck, Grand Am and perk, etc.
Have you gone through the injuries he has over the course of his career?
How come you can't put yourself in his shoes and see where he's coming from?
If he would retire in two or three more years a complete cripple then you would respect him, right?
the guy has his own health and his family to worry about, you really think that's less important
than letting down teammates or dumb fans who think he plays the game just for them.
Grow up a little guys and try to see the big picture, if your health was at stake you would quit too.
And I didn't mean to be harsh on any forum members here, you have a right to your opinion.
I had read the article about him retiring and it mentioned he was booed as he left the field yesterday.
Just kind of felt bad for him as I've felt he always gave everything he had, was a class guy and a competitor.
i don't blame him for hanging it up, he is going to live 50, maybe 60 years longer, he wants those years to be quality years, not nagging aches and pains, limping, and so on. he just got married with a kid on the way, he will have time to raise the child now
I played football in grades 7 thru 12. It's a brutal game. Why play this brutal game?
I did it for two reasons, and I think most do it for the same two reasons.
One is for the fun of being with your buddies and the competition of beating the other team's brains in...and two is to impress the girls...not necessarily in that order.
When the competitive spirit is gone, when you're happily married...and thirdly when you're rich beyond your wildest dreams...the result is a press conference such as this.
Luck has battled through chronic pain, multiple severe injuries over the past several seasons and done everything he could to play. He sacrificed his health to play the game of football and walked away from millions of dollars. I think it's unreasonable and selfish for Colts fans to treat him with anything but the respect he deserves.
Teams walk away from players all the time when it suits them or when the player is unable to perform at an acceptable level. The NFL is a business and that's fine, too, but I don't blame a guy for walking away while he can still walk, especially when in doing so he walks away from tens of millions of dollars in the process.
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@Darin said:
To the guys here absolutely crucifiying Luck, Grand Am and perk, etc.
Have you gone through the injuries he has over the course of his career?
How come you can't put yourself in his shoes and see where he's coming from?
If he would retire in two or three more years a complete cripple then you would respect him, right?
the guy has his own health and his family to worry about, you really think that's less important
than letting down teammates or dumb fans who think he plays the game just for them.
Grow up a little guys and try to see the big picture, if your health was at stake you would quit too.
I’m not offended by you calling me out but I don’t think I was being to harsh was I? I called him a pussy which is not that bad but whatever it’s irrelevant. I know all about dealing with injuries and being hurt. I spent 20 legit hard years in a State Prison working the housing units and 5 years being in charge of the Emergency Response Team. In 2003 I had a chance to retire with a neck injury, In 2005 I had a chance to retire when I took a shank through my left hand. In 2008 I had another chance to retire with a severe concussion. The last 3 years of my career I didn’t miss a beat breaking up fights and responding to emergencies with planter fasciitis in my right foot and constant inflammation of my IT band in my left knee as well as all the bumps and bruises that dont heal quick because I was in my 40’s. I Didn’t do the workman’s comp nonsense and worked through everything and did my time like a Man. So I will call anyone that plays a sport and retires early and screws his team and fan base over a pussy anytime I want. I did say the Colts did screw him around a few years ago so they deserve it, at least I gave him that right?
@Darin said:
To the guys here absolutely crucifiying Luck, Grand Am and perk, etc.
Have you gone through the injuries he has over the course of his career?
How come you can't put yourself in his shoes and see where he's coming from?
If he would retire in two or three more years a complete cripple then you would respect him, right?
the guy has his own health and his family to worry about, you really think that's less important
than letting down teammates or dumb fans who think he plays the game just for them.
Grow up a little guys and try to see the big picture, if your health was at stake you would quit too.
I’m not offended by you calling me out but I don’t think I was being to harsh was I? I called him a pussy which is not that bad but whatever it’s irrelevant. I know all about dealing with injuries and being hurt. I spent 20 legit hard years in a State Prison working the housing units and 5 years being in charge of the Emergency Response Team. In 2003 I had a chance to retire with a neck injury, In 2005 I had a chance to retire when I took a shank through my left hand. In 2008 I had another chance to retire with a severe concussion. The last 3 years of my career I didn’t miss a beat breaking up fights and responding to emergencies with planter fasciitis in my right foot and constant inflammation of my IT band in my left knee as well as all the bumps and bruises that dont heal quick because I was in my 40’s. I Didn’t do the workman’s comp nonsense and worked through everything and did my time like a Man. So I will call anyone that plays a sport and retires early and screws his team and fan base over a pussy anytime I want. I did say the Colts did screw him around a few years ago so they deserve it, at least I gave him that right?
It's the money Paul. They pay these dudes too much lol. Makes it so easy to walk away.
@Darin said:
To the guys here absolutely crucifiying Luck, Grand Am and perk, etc.
Have you gone through the injuries he has over the course of his career?
How come you can't put yourself in his shoes and see where he's coming from?
If he would retire in two or three more years a complete cripple then you would respect him, right?
the guy has his own health and his family to worry about, you really think that's less important
than letting down teammates or dumb fans who think he plays the game just for them.
Grow up a little guys and try to see the big picture, if your health was at stake you would quit too.
I’m not offended by you calling me out but I don’t think I was being to harsh was I? I called him a pussy which is not that bad but whatever it’s irrelevant. I know all about dealing with injuries and being hurt. I spent 20 legit hard years in a State Prison working the housing units and 5 years being in charge of the Emergency Response Team. In 2003 I had a chance to retire with a neck injury, In 2005 I had a chance to retire when I took a shank through my left hand. In 2008 I had another chance to retire with a severe concussion. The last 3 years of my career I didn’t miss a beat breaking up fights and responding to emergencies with planter fasciitis in my right foot and constant inflammation of my IT band in my left knee as well as all the bumps and bruises that dont heal quick because I was in my 40’s. I Didn’t do the workman’s comp nonsense and worked through everything and did my time like a Man. So I will call anyone that plays a sport and retires early and screws his team and fan base over a pussy anytime I want. I did say the Colts did screw him around a few years ago so they deserve it, at least I gave him that right?
It's the money Paul. They pay these dudes too much lol. Makes it so easy to walk away.
I know, the funny thing is if I retired over one of my injuries I would have made an extra thousand a month with my pension 🤨. But yea good for Luck, he was definitely a good guy I just think it’s grossly ignorant to screw over a franchise AND a fan base by retiring 2 weeks before the season! Toughen up and get through one more season then retire before the draft ect.. the guy had a pro bowl season last year, I mean Cmon.
Good for Luck for going out on his own terms,obviously his numerous injuries have already taken a toll on him at 29yrs old if it brought him to this point. I did read something earlier though that said this was likely a $500M decision,I have a feeling his Stanford education & career earnings will leave him in good shape financially.
So does Indy go trade for another QB or do they just wing it with Brissett and hope that if they suck bad it puts them in position to get the kid from Clemson in this next draft?
@coinpalice said:
Brissett is actually pretty good, he has a much better team around him then he had 2 years ago, he is a top 20 qb, not a top 5 like Luck though
I know,I got to see him here in NE for a bit. I think he'd be good in the interim but I don't think he's their longterm answer at QB.
@Darin said:
To the guys here absolutely crucifiying Luck, Grand Am and perk, etc.
Have you gone through the injuries he has over the course of his career?
How come you can't put yourself in his shoes and see where he's coming from?
If he would retire in two or three more years a complete cripple then you would respect him, right?
the guy has his own health and his family to worry about, you really think that's less important
than letting down teammates or dumb fans who think he plays the game just for them.
Grow up a little guys and try to see the big picture, if your health was at stake you would quit too.
I’m not offended by you calling me out but I don’t think I was being to harsh was I? I called him a pussy which is not that bad but whatever it’s irrelevant. I know all about dealing with injuries and being hurt. I spent 20 legit hard years in a State Prison working the housing units and 5 years being in charge of the Emergency Response Team. In 2003 I had a chance to retire with a neck injury, In 2005 I had a chance to retire when I took a shank through my left hand. In 2008 I had another chance to retire with a severe concussion. The last 3 years of my career I didn’t miss a beat breaking up fights and responding to emergencies with planter fasciitis in my right foot and constant inflammation of my IT band in my left knee as well as all the bumps and bruises that dont heal quick because I was in my 40’s. I Didn’t do the workman’s comp nonsense and worked through everything and did my time like a Man. So I will call anyone that plays a sport and retires early and screws his team and fan base over a pussy anytime I want. I did say the Colts did screw him around a few years ago so they deserve it, at least I gave him that right?
It's the money Paul. They pay these dudes too much lol. Makes it so easy to walk away.
I know, the funny thing is if I retired over one of my injuries I would have made an extra thousand a month with my pension 🤨. But yea good for Luck, he was definitely a good guy I just think it’s grossly ignorant to screw over a franchise AND a fan base by retiring 2 weeks before the season! Toughen up and get through one more season then retire before the draft ect.. the guy had a pro bowl season last year, I mean Cmon.
Point taken, but Luck said his decision to retire was only considered around two weeks ago or something like that. So likely he just recently nicked an old injury or whatever and didn't wish to risk further injury at that point which could lead to permanent disability.
My guess is that he may have envisioned himself in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, and that ended his desire to continue playing football.
I’m not offended by you calling me out but I don’t think I was being to harsh was I? I called him a pussy which is not that bad but whatever it’s irrelevant. I know all about dealing with injuries and being hurt. I spent 20 legit hard years in a State Prison working the housing units and 5 years being in charge of the Emergency Response Team. In 2003 I had a chance to retire with a neck injury, In 2005 I had a chance to retire when I took a shank through my left hand. In 2008 I had another chance to retire with a severe concussion. The last 3 years of my career I didn’t miss a beat breaking up fights and responding to emergencies with planter fasciitis in my right foot and constant inflammation of my IT band in my left knee as well as all the bumps and bruises that dont heal quick because I was in my 40’s. I Didn’t do the workman’s comp nonsense and worked through everything and did my time like a Man. So I will call anyone that plays a sport and retires early and screws his team and fan base over a pussy anytime I want. I did say the Colts did screw him around a few years ago so they deserve it, at least I gave him that right?
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@Darin said:
To the guys here absolutely crucifiying Luck, Grand Am and perk, etc.
Have you gone through the injuries he has over the course of his career?
How come you can't put yourself in his shoes and see where he's coming from?
If he would retire in two or three more years a complete cripple then you would respect him, right?
the guy has his own health and his family to worry about, you really think that's less important
than letting down teammates or dumb fans who think he plays the game just for them.
Grow up a little guys and try to see the big picture, if your health was at stake you would quit too.
I’m not offended by you calling me out but I don’t think I was being to harsh was I? I called him a pussy which is not that bad but whatever it’s irrelevant. I know all about dealing with injuries and being hurt. I spent 20 legit hard years in a State Prison working the housing units and 5 years being in charge of the Emergency Response Team. In 2003 I had a chance to retire with a neck injury, In 2005 I had a chance to retire when I took a shank through my left hand. In 2008 I had another chance to retire with a severe concussion. The last 3 years of my career I didn’t miss a beat breaking up fights and responding to emergencies with planter fasciitis in my right foot and constant inflammation of my IT band in my left knee as well as all the bumps and bruises that dont heal quick because I was in my 40’s. I Didn’t do the workman’s comp nonsense and worked through everything and did my time like a Man. So I will call anyone that plays a sport and retires early and screws his team and fan base over a pussy anytime I want. I did say the Colts did screw him around a few years ago so they deserve it, at least I gave him that right?
It's the money Paul. They pay these dudes too much lol. Makes it so easy to walk away.
I know, the funny thing is if I retired over one of my injuries I would have made an extra thousand a month with my pension 🤨. But yea good for Luck, he was definitely a good guy I just think it’s grossly ignorant to screw over a franchise AND a fan base by retiring 2 weeks before the season! Toughen up and get through one more season then retire before the draft ect.. the guy had a pro bowl season last year, I mean Cmon.
Point taken, but Luck said his decision to retire was only considered around two weeks ago or something like that. So likely he just recently nicked an old injury or whatever and didn't wish to risk further injury at that point which could lead to permanent disability.
My guess is that he may have envisioned himself in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, and that ended his desire to continue playing football.
, his body is not healing properly . If you hurt a muscle and your body grows bone fiber in the new muscle thats not solvable. Thats why Cam Neely retired , its a medical issue that is poorly understood but nobody hurts their body like these pro sports people
who knows if its not some side effect of all the steroids or the way they train or just the body going haywire from repeated injuries and teams rushing guys back because they are paying them millions
@Darin said:
To the guys here absolutely crucifiying Luck, Grand Am and perk, etc.
Have you gone through the injuries he has over the course of his career?
How come you can't put yourself in his shoes and see where he's coming from?
If he would retire in two or three more years a complete cripple then you would respect him, right?
the guy has his own health and his family to worry about, you really think that's less important
than letting down teammates or dumb fans who think he plays the game just for them.
Grow up a little guys and try to see the big picture, if your health was at stake you would quit too.
I’m not offended by you calling me out but I don’t think I was being to harsh was I? I called him a pussy which is not that bad but whatever it’s irrelevant. I know all about dealing with injuries and being hurt. I spent 20 legit hard years in a State Prison working the housing units and 5 years being in charge of the Emergency Response Team. In 2003 I had a chance to retire with a neck injury, In 2005 I had a chance to retire when I took a shank through my left hand. In 2008 I had another chance to retire with a severe concussion. The last 3 years of my career I didn’t miss a beat breaking up fights and responding to emergencies with planter fasciitis in my right foot and constant inflammation of my IT band in my left knee as well as all the bumps and bruises that dont heal quick because I was in my 40’s. I Didn’t do the workman’s comp nonsense and worked through everything and did my time like a Man. So I will call anyone that plays a sport and retires early and screws his team and fan base over a pussy anytime I want. I did say the Colts did screw him around a few years ago so they deserve it, at least I gave him that right?
It's the money Paul. They pay these dudes too much lol. Makes it so easy to walk away.
I know, the funny thing is if I retired over one of my injuries I would have made an extra thousand a month with my pension 🤨. But yea good for Luck, he was definitely a good guy I just think it’s grossly ignorant to screw over a franchise AND a fan base by retiring 2 weeks before the season! Toughen up and get through one more season then retire before the draft ect.. the guy had a pro bowl season last year, I mean Cmon.
Point taken, but Luck said his decision to retire was only considered around two weeks ago or something like that. So likely he just recently nicked an old injury or whatever and didn't wish to risk further injury at that point which could lead to permanent disability.
My guess is that he may have envisioned himself in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, and that ended his desire to continue playing football.
, his body is not healing properly . If you hurt a muscle and your body grows bone fiber in the new muscle thats not solvable. Thats why Cam Neely retired , its a medical issue that is poorly understood but nobody hurts their body like these pro sports people
who knows if its not some side effect of all the steroids or the way they train or just the body going haywire from repeated injuries and teams rushing guys back because they are paying them millions
The guy played at a very high level last year. In my way of thinking, he is capable but not in his shoes so whatever.
@Darin said:
To the guys here absolutely crucifiying Luck, Grand Am and perk, etc.
Have you gone through the injuries he has over the course of his career?
How come you can't put yourself in his shoes and see where he's coming from?
If he would retire in two or three more years a complete cripple then you would respect him, right?
the guy has his own health and his family to worry about, you really think that's less important
than letting down teammates or dumb fans who think he plays the game just for them.
Grow up a little guys and try to see the big picture, if your health was at stake you would quit too.
I’m not offended by you calling me out but I don’t think I was being to harsh was I? I called him a pussy which is not that bad but whatever it’s irrelevant. I know all about dealing with injuries and being hurt. I spent 20 legit hard years in a State Prison working the housing units and 5 years being in charge of the Emergency Response Team. In 2003 I had a chance to retire with a neck injury, In 2005 I had a chance to retire when I took a shank through my left hand. In 2008 I had another chance to retire with a severe concussion. The last 3 years of my career I didn’t miss a beat breaking up fights and responding to emergencies with planter fasciitis in my right foot and constant inflammation of my IT band in my left knee as well as all the bumps and bruises that dont heal quick because I was in my 40’s. I Didn’t do the workman’s comp nonsense and worked through everything and did my time like a Man. So I will call anyone that plays a sport and retires early and screws his team and fan base over a pussy anytime I want. I did say the Colts did screw him around a few years ago so they deserve it, at least I gave him that right?
It's the money Paul. They pay these dudes too much lol. Makes it so easy to walk away.
I know, the funny thing is if I retired over one of my injuries I would have made an extra thousand a month with my pension 🤨. But yea good for Luck, he was definitely a good guy I just think it’s grossly ignorant to screw over a franchise AND a fan base by retiring 2 weeks before the season! Toughen up and get through one more season then retire before the draft ect.. the guy had a pro bowl season last year, I mean Cmon.
Point taken, but Luck said his decision to retire was only considered around two weeks ago or something like that. So likely he just recently nicked an old injury or whatever and didn't wish to risk further injury at that point which could lead to permanent disability.
My guess is that he may have envisioned himself in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, and that ended his desire to continue playing football.
, his body is not healing properly . If you hurt a muscle and your body grows bone fiber in the new muscle thats not solvable. Thats why Cam Neely retired , its a medical issue that is poorly understood but nobody hurts their body like these pro sports people
who knows if its not some side effect of all the steroids or the way they train or just the body going haywire from repeated injuries and teams rushing guys back because they are paying them millions
The guy played at a very high level last year. In my way of thinking, he is capable but not in his shoes so whatever.
Ya but don't you remember the season Neely got 50 goals and skipped all the practices skipped back to back games , he was dealing with the same thing. Any football player except the QB could do the same .
Baseball , hockey or basketball players can run a reduced schedule and it works fine. QB can't do it. You hear people saying oh Brady should sit half the games to conserve himself for the playoffs , that started after he got such a boost from being suspended over deflate gate. It help the Patriots a lot. That was different though , a QB can't dip in and out.
Lets face it , they rushed Luck back 2 or 3 times from injury and it bit everyone in the ass. They even did it once because Pagano was trying to save his job Pagano sucked he should have been fired after one season that hurt the whole franchise
@Darin said:
To the guys here absolutely crucifiying Luck, Grand Am and perk, etc.
Have you gone through the injuries he has over the course of his career?
How come you can't put yourself in his shoes and see where he's coming from?
If he would retire in two or three more years a complete cripple then you would respect him, right?
the guy has his own health and his family to worry about, you really think that's less important
than letting down teammates or dumb fans who think he plays the game just for them.
Grow up a little guys and try to see the big picture, if your health was at stake you would quit too.
I’m not offended by you calling me out but I don’t think I was being to harsh was I? I called him a pussy which is not that bad but whatever it’s irrelevant. I know all about dealing with injuries and being hurt. I spent 20 legit hard years in a State Prison working the housing units and 5 years being in charge of the Emergency Response Team. In 2003 I had a chance to retire with a neck injury, In 2005 I had a chance to retire when I took a shank through my left hand. In 2008 I had another chance to retire with a severe concussion. The last 3 years of my career I didn’t miss a beat breaking up fights and responding to emergencies with planter fasciitis in my right foot and constant inflammation of my IT band in my left knee as well as all the bumps and bruises that dont heal quick because I was in my 40’s. I Didn’t do the workman’s comp nonsense and worked through everything and did my time like a Man. So I will call anyone that plays a sport and retires early and screws his team and fan base over a pussy anytime I want. I did say the Colts did screw him around a few years ago so they deserve it, at least I gave him that right?
It's the money Paul. They pay these dudes too much lol. Makes it so easy to walk away.
I know, the funny thing is if I retired over one of my injuries I would have made an extra thousand a month with my pension 🤨. But yea good for Luck, he was definitely a good guy I just think it’s grossly ignorant to screw over a franchise AND a fan base by retiring 2 weeks before the season! Toughen up and get through one more season then retire before the draft ect.. the guy had a pro bowl season last year, I mean Cmon.
Point taken, but Luck said his decision to retire was only considered around two weeks ago or something like that. So likely he just recently nicked an old injury or whatever and didn't wish to risk further injury at that point which could lead to permanent disability.
My guess is that he may have envisioned himself in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, and that ended his desire to continue playing football.
, his body is not healing properly . If you hurt a muscle and your body grows bone fiber in the new muscle thats not solvable. Thats why Cam Neely retired , its a medical issue that is poorly understood but nobody hurts their body like these pro sports people
who knows if its not some side effect of all the steroids or the way they train or just the body going haywire from repeated injuries and teams rushing guys back because they are paying them millions
The guy played at a very high level last year. In my way of thinking, he is capable but not in his shoes so whatever.
He did play at a high level and it looks like that cost him his career , they were probably shooting him full of drugs so he wasn't in pain
@Darin said:
To the guys here absolutely crucifiying Luck, Grand Am and perk, etc.
Have you gone through the injuries he has over the course of his career?
How come you can't put yourself in his shoes and see where he's coming from?
If he would retire in two or three more years a complete cripple then you would respect him, right?
the guy has his own health and his family to worry about, you really think that's less important
than letting down teammates or dumb fans who think he plays the game just for them.
Grow up a little guys and try to see the big picture, if your health was at stake you would quit too.
I’m not offended by you calling me out but I don’t think I was being to harsh was I? I called him a pussy which is not that bad but whatever it’s irrelevant. I know all about dealing with injuries and being hurt. I spent 20 legit hard years in a State Prison working the housing units and 5 years being in charge of the Emergency Response Team. In 2003 I had a chance to retire with a neck injury, In 2005 I had a chance to retire when I took a shank through my left hand. In 2008 I had another chance to retire with a severe concussion. The last 3 years of my career I didn’t miss a beat breaking up fights and responding to emergencies with planter fasciitis in my right foot and constant inflammation of my IT band in my left knee as well as all the bumps and bruises that dont heal quick because I was in my 40’s. I Didn’t do the workman’s comp nonsense and worked through everything and did my time like a Man. So I will call anyone that plays a sport and retires early and screws his team and fan base over a pussy anytime I want. I did say the Colts did screw him around a few years ago so they deserve it, at least I gave him that right?
It's the money Paul. They pay these dudes too much lol. Makes it so easy to walk away.
I know, the funny thing is if I retired over one of my injuries I would have made an extra thousand a month with my pension 🤨. But yea good for Luck, he was definitely a good guy I just think it’s grossly ignorant to screw over a franchise AND a fan base by retiring 2 weeks before the season! Toughen up and get through one more season then retire before the draft ect.. the guy had a pro bowl season last year, I mean Cmon.
Point taken, but Luck said his decision to retire was only considered around two weeks ago or something like that. So likely he just recently nicked an old injury or whatever and didn't wish to risk further injury at that point which could lead to permanent disability.
My guess is that he may have envisioned himself in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, and that ended his desire to continue playing football.
, his body is not healing properly . If you hurt a muscle and your body grows bone fiber in the new muscle thats not solvable. Thats why Cam Neely retired , its a medical issue that is poorly understood but nobody hurts their body like these pro sports people
who knows if its not some side effect of all the steroids or the way they train or just the body going haywire from repeated injuries and teams rushing guys back because they are paying them millions
The guy played at a very high level last year. In my way of thinking, he is capable but not in his shoes so whatever.
He did play at a high level and it looks like that cost him his career , they were probably shooting him full of drugs so he wasn't in pain
And that might be true, I didn’t give that scenario a thought to be honest. If they were then fine that’s understandable. I still feel the decision should have been done way before yesterday though. As far as Neely is concerned I never followed Hockey so no clue about what happened with him.
I think any number of other things could have influenced his decision.
Perhaps his doctor told him that one more hit to a certain area of the leg would cripple him for life. He may have seen any number of videos available on Youtube about the physical suffering of ex-NFL players. Of course there is the CTE factor as well.
Maybe it wasn't any one specific thing but a number of things combined which led to the decision. As well as family matters. Perhaps in private his wife would have liked to see him quit?
In any event, what's done is done, and I don't begrudge what he did one bit.
I was just a young kid when Sandy Koufax in his prime, quit for somewhat similar reasons. I don't recall anyone begrudging Koufax for the decision, not even the media.
Of course there wasn't internet forums back then. LOL
I have no idea how fantasy football works, never played it, never will.
But i would have to believe that those who chose Luck, and if that pick is not revocable, then that would certainly have to hiss off those fantasy football players especially for a key position such as that.
I would guess that if your fantasy team's season revolves around Luck doing well, then you're practically drawing dead at this point before the season even begins. I wouldn't blame fantasy players for being hissed off about that. Almost like the jockey falling off the horse you bet, right after the race begins.
@stevek said:
I have no idea how fantasy football works, never played it, never will.
But i would have to believe that those who chose Luck, and if that pick is not revocable, then that would certainly have to hiss off those fantasy football players especially for a key position such as that.
I would guess that if your fantasy team's season revolves around Luck doing well, then you're practically drawing dead at this point before the season even begins. I wouldn't blame fantasy players for being hissed off about that. Almost like the jockey falling off the horse you bet, right after the race begins.
Guys that did their fantasy drafts and took Luck are screwed. Bottom line the drafts over. I’m doing g my draft on 9/3 so we know what’s up with injuries and apparently now retirements 😳
@Darin said:
To the guys here absolutely crucifiying Luck, Grand Am and perk, etc.
Have you gone through the injuries he has over the course of his career?
How come you can't put yourself in his shoes and see where he's coming from?
If he would retire in two or three more years a complete cripple then you would respect him, right?
the guy has his own health and his family to worry about, you really think that's less important
than letting down teammates or dumb fans who think he plays the game just for them.
Grow up a little guys and try to see the big picture, if your health was at stake you would quit too.
I’m not offended by you calling me out but I don’t think I was being to harsh was I? I called him a pussy which is not that bad but whatever it’s irrelevant. I know all about dealing with injuries and being hurt. I spent 20 legit hard years in a State Prison working the housing units and 5 years being in charge of the Emergency Response Team. In 2003 I had a chance to retire with a neck injury, In 2005 I had a chance to retire when I took a shank through my left hand. In 2008 I had another chance to retire with a severe concussion. The last 3 years of my career I didn’t miss a beat breaking up fights and responding to emergencies with planter fasciitis in my right foot and constant inflammation of my IT band in my left knee as well as all the bumps and bruises that dont heal quick because I was in my 40’s. I Didn’t do the workman’s comp nonsense and worked through everything and did my time like a Man. So I will call anyone that plays a sport and retires early and screws his team and fan base over a pussy anytime I want. I did say the Colts did screw him around a few years ago so they deserve it, at least I gave him that right?
It's the money Paul. They pay these dudes too much lol. Makes it so easy to walk away.
I know, the funny thing is if I retired over one of my injuries I would have made an extra thousand a month with my pension 🤨. But yea good for Luck, he was definitely a good guy I just think it’s grossly ignorant to screw over a franchise AND a fan base by retiring 2 weeks before the season! Toughen up and get through one more season then retire before the draft ect.. the guy had a pro bowl season last year, I mean Cmon.
Point taken, but Luck said his decision to retire was only considered around two weeks ago or something like that. So likely he just recently nicked an old injury or whatever and didn't wish to risk further injury at that point which could lead to permanent disability.
My guess is that he may have envisioned himself in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, and that ended his desire to continue playing football.
, his body is not healing properly . If you hurt a muscle and your body grows bone fiber in the new muscle thats not solvable. Thats why Cam Neely retired , its a medical issue that is poorly understood but nobody hurts their body like these pro sports people
who knows if its not some side effect of all the steroids or the way they train or just the body going haywire from repeated injuries and teams rushing guys back because they are paying them millions
The guy played at a very high level last year. In my way of thinking, he is capable but not in his shoes so whatever.
He did play at a high level and it looks like that cost him his career , they were probably shooting him full of drugs so he wasn't in pain
And that might be true, I didn’t give that scenario a thought to be honest. If they were then fine that’s understandable. I still feel the decision should have been done way before yesterday though. As far as Neely is concerned I never followed Hockey so no clue about what happened with him.
we are going to find out if bresset or jimmy G is better now. Both were traded for a crate of lightbulbs and are going to be starters
would not at all be surprised if this turns out to be a seminal moment for the nfl, whereby an increasing number of the biggest stars call it a career sooner rather than later
luck is no dummy. not even an estimated half bil is worth becoming an invalid for
No offense to Luck or anything, but it's not like he won any Super Bowls. He never even got to one.
The only reason i can think of is the Colts are hoping that Luck changes his mind and comes back one day, and they don't wish to hiss him off in any way from wanting to do that.
Well i've got some bad news for the Colts - this guy ain't ever coming back.
It's a ridiculously awful bad business decision by the Colts in so many different ways. One biggee is the guy doesn't even need the money for crying out loud.
Yea it’s a slap in the face to all the other guys in the league that are fighting for a roster spot, this guy just screws over the entire organization and gets a 24 Million gift for doing that? Once Irsay sobers up he might be annoyed at himself for making such a stupid decision.
@perkdog said:
Yea it’s a slap in the face to all the other guys in the league that are fighting for a roster spot, this guy just screws over the entire organization and gets a 24 Million gift for doing that? Once Irsay sobers up he might be annoyed at himself for making such a stupid decision.
Dude you have to let this go
@MLBdays said:
There's 25 million free dollars they didn't spend on the offensive line to protect Luck from his lacerated kidney, scarred spleen and 4 other car accidents he was in while playing....
they spent no money on the o-line for about a decade , Luck was sacked 174 times . He missed 2016 , in 2015 he was sacked 41 times !!! I wonder if there is a connection
@perkdog said:
Yea it’s a slap in the face to all the other guys in the league that are fighting for a roster spot, this guy just screws over the entire organization and gets a 24 Million gift for doing that? Once Irsay sobers up he might be annoyed at himself for making such a stupid decision.
Obviously Irsay likes Luck and that's fine. But the guy quit for crying out loud.
Oh well, it ain't my money, so why should I give a chit? LOL
@perkdog said:
Yea it’s a slap in the face to all the other guys in the league that are fighting for a roster spot, this guy just screws over the entire organization and gets a 24 Million gift for doing that? Once Irsay sobers up he might be annoyed at himself for making such a stupid decision.
Dude you have to let this go
@MLBdays said:
There's 25 million free dollars they didn't spend on the offensive line to protect Luck from his lacerated kidney, scarred spleen and 4 other car accidents he was in while playing....
they spent no money on the o-line for about a decade , Luck was sacked 174 times . He missed 2016 , in 2015 he was sacked 41 times !!! I wonder if there is a connection
Why do you have such a vested interest in Luck!? Your defending him like is a family member 🤷♂️ The NFL is rough I get it. Also not to mention I think he is a weirdo with that stupid neck beard 🙄
@perkdog said:
Yea it’s a slap in the face to all the other guys in the league that are fighting for a roster spot, this guy just screws over the entire organization and gets a 24 Million gift for doing that? Once Irsay sobers up he might be annoyed at himself for making such a stupid decision.
Dude you have to let this go
@MLBdays said:
There's 25 million free dollars they didn't spend on the offensive line to protect Luck from his lacerated kidney, scarred spleen and 4 other car accidents he was in while playing....
they spent no money on the o-line for about a decade , Luck was sacked 174 times . He missed 2016 , in 2015 he was sacked 41 times !!! I wonder if there is a connection
Why do you have such a vested interest in Luck!? Your defending him like is a family member 🤷♂️ The NFL is rough I get it. Also not to mention I think he is a weirdo with that stupid neck beard 🙄
I just think its silly to care if the guy retires . He doesn't owe anyone anything, plus if the colts were well run none of this would have happened . They killed Peyton Manning before they rubbed Luck out. They are idiots , I'm still amazed they managed to draft Manning , it must have been by mistake
We agree on the neck beard , but he probably had a real beard at some point and sprained it and thats all that would come back
Andrew Luck made the correct decision for Andrew Luck. He’s got plenty of money, he’s had the crap kicked out of him for a lifetime playing QB and he has no realistic chance to win a Super Bowl based on the other teams in the NFL, his own team and the owner. He would have been wise to leave Indianapolis after his rookie deal ended - he could have gone to a better run franchise that would do more for him: the Colts gave him no coach, no weapons, no line and no defense in his tenure there. Nothing. He stayed and it continued. To face a decade of this would be foolish and counterproductive but he’s locked in there in this terribly run franchise; further proof being they let him keep an extra $24 million. No we’ll run franchise is doing that.
I imagine Barry Sanders felt similarly when he left the Lions.
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Lol they made the playoffs last year, Divisional finals right? You can’t win a Super Bowl without making the playoffs first. I thought they were going in the right direction, they lost to KC which is nothing to be ashamed of
So when Tom Brady finally announces that he's retiring, if this is the new way of doing things in the NFL, what is Kraft now going to have to give him as a going away present?
@Darin said:
And I didn't mean to be harsh on any forum members here, you have a right to your opinion.
I had read the article about him retiring and it mentioned he was booed as he left the field yesterday.
Just kind of felt bad for him as I've felt he always gave everything he had, was a class guy and a competitor.
I agree and I think most everyone here feels the same. We were just playing our big boy card! He might have picked a better way or time, but it was wrong for the fans to boo him after what he has done for the team over the years.
@stevek said:
So when Tom Brady finally announces that he's retiring, if this is the new way of doing things in the NFL, what is Kraft now going to have to give him as a going away present?
@stevek said:
So when Tom Brady finally announces that he's retiring, if this is the new way of doing things in the NFL, what is Kraft now going to have to give him as a going away present?
@stevek said:
So when Tom Brady finally announces that he's retiring, if this is the new way of doing things in the NFL, what is Kraft now going to have to give him as a going away present?
240 million?
Not enough
How about the state of Massachusetts?
Oh he can have it! I mean I’d take a C Note over the State of Massachusetts 🙄
@stevek said:
So when Tom Brady finally announces that he's retiring, if this is the new way of doing things in the NFL, what is Kraft now going to have to give him as a going away present?
240 million?
Not enough
How about the state of Massachusetts?
Oh he can have it! I mean I’d take a C Note over the State of Massachusetts 🙄
The descendants of the Pilgrims are going to be very upset with you for saying that.
The 2019 season just ended for the Indianapolis Colts. The last time he was out, they finished at the bottom of their division. It sucks for the fans, and I understand their frustration. He should have retired at the end of last season.
Still I can understand his concerns. Pro football is a life shortening sport for many who play it. If Luck no longer wants to put his body on the line, I can respect that. Still his timing was lousy.
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To the guys here absolutely crucifiying Luck, Grand Am and perk, etc.
Have you gone through the injuries he has over the course of his career?
How come you can't put yourself in his shoes and see where he's coming from?
If he would retire in two or three more years a complete cripple then you would respect him, right?
the guy has his own health and his family to worry about, you really think that's less important
than letting down teammates or dumb fans who think he plays the game just for them.
Grow up a little guys and try to see the big picture, if your health was at stake you would quit too.
And I didn't mean to be harsh on any forum members here, you have a right to your opinion.
I had read the article about him retiring and it mentioned he was booed as he left the field yesterday.
Just kind of felt bad for him as I've felt he always gave everything he had, was a class guy and a competitor.
i don't blame him for hanging it up, he is going to live 50, maybe 60 years longer, he wants those years to be quality years, not nagging aches and pains, limping, and so on. he just got married with a kid on the way, he will have time to raise the child now
I played football in grades 7 thru 12. It's a brutal game. Why play this brutal game?
I did it for two reasons, and I think most do it for the same two reasons.
One is for the fun of being with your buddies and the competition of beating the other team's brains in...and two is to impress the girls...not necessarily in that order.
When the competitive spirit is gone, when you're happily married...and thirdly when you're rich beyond your wildest dreams...the result is a press conference such as this.
I'll admit when I'm wrong. I think Luck made the right choice. It's taking too much of a toll on his health.
Luck has battled through chronic pain, multiple severe injuries over the past several seasons and done everything he could to play. He sacrificed his health to play the game of football and walked away from millions of dollars. I think it's unreasonable and selfish for Colts fans to treat him with anything but the respect he deserves.
Teams walk away from players all the time when it suits them or when the player is unable to perform at an acceptable level. The NFL is a business and that's fine, too, but I don't blame a guy for walking away while he can still walk, especially when in doing so he walks away from tens of millions of dollars in the process.
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I’m not offended by you calling me out but I don’t think I was being to harsh was I? I called him a pussy which is not that bad but whatever it’s irrelevant. I know all about dealing with injuries and being hurt. I spent 20 legit hard years in a State Prison working the housing units and 5 years being in charge of the Emergency Response Team. In 2003 I had a chance to retire with a neck injury, In 2005 I had a chance to retire when I took a shank through my left hand. In 2008 I had another chance to retire with a severe concussion. The last 3 years of my career I didn’t miss a beat breaking up fights and responding to emergencies with planter fasciitis in my right foot and constant inflammation of my IT band in my left knee as well as all the bumps and bruises that dont heal quick because I was in my 40’s. I Didn’t do the workman’s comp nonsense and worked through everything and did my time like a Man. So I will call anyone that plays a sport and retires early and screws his team and fan base over a pussy anytime I want. I did say the Colts did screw him around a few years ago so they deserve it, at least I gave him that right?
It's the money Paul. They pay these dudes too much lol. Makes it so easy to walk away.
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I know, the funny thing is if I retired over one of my injuries I would have made an extra thousand a month with my pension 🤨. But yea good for Luck, he was definitely a good guy I just think it’s grossly ignorant to screw over a franchise AND a fan base by retiring 2 weeks before the season! Toughen up and get through one more season then retire before the draft ect.. the guy had a pro bowl season last year, I mean Cmon.
Good for Luck for going out on his own terms,obviously his numerous injuries have already taken a toll on him at 29yrs old if it brought him to this point. I did read something earlier though that said this was likely a $500M decision,I have a feeling his Stanford education & career earnings will leave him in good shape financially.
So does Indy go trade for another QB or do they just wing it with Brissett and hope that if they suck bad it puts them in position to get the kid from Clemson in this next draft?
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Brissett is actually pretty good, he has a much better team around him then he had 2 years ago, he is a top 20 qb, not a top 5 like Luck though
I know,I got to see him here in NE for a bit. I think he'd be good in the interim but I don't think he's their longterm answer at QB.
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Point taken, but Luck said his decision to retire was only considered around two weeks ago or something like that. So likely he just recently nicked an old injury or whatever and didn't wish to risk further injury at that point which could lead to permanent disability.
My guess is that he may have envisioned himself in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, and that ended his desire to continue playing football.
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, his body is not healing properly . If you hurt a muscle and your body grows bone fiber in the new muscle thats not solvable. Thats why Cam Neely retired , its a medical issue that is poorly understood but nobody hurts their body like these pro sports people
who knows if its not some side effect of all the steroids or the way they train or just the body going haywire from repeated injuries and teams rushing guys back because they are paying them millions
The guy played at a very high level last year. In my way of thinking, he is capable but not in his shoes so whatever.
Ya but don't you remember the season Neely got 50 goals and skipped all the practices skipped back to back games , he was dealing with the same thing. Any football player except the QB could do the same .
Baseball , hockey or basketball players can run a reduced schedule and it works fine. QB can't do it. You hear people saying oh Brady should sit half the games to conserve himself for the playoffs , that started after he got such a boost from being suspended over deflate gate. It help the Patriots a lot. That was different though , a QB can't dip in and out.
Lets face it , they rushed Luck back 2 or 3 times from injury and it bit everyone in the ass. They even did it once because Pagano was trying to save his job
Pagano sucked he should have been fired after one season that hurt the whole franchise
He did play at a high level and it looks like that cost him his career , they were probably shooting him full of drugs so he wasn't in pain
And that might be true, I didn’t give that scenario a thought to be honest. If they were then fine that’s understandable. I still feel the decision should have been done way before yesterday though. As far as Neely is concerned I never followed Hockey so no clue about what happened with him.
I think any number of other things could have influenced his decision.
Perhaps his doctor told him that one more hit to a certain area of the leg would cripple him for life. He may have seen any number of videos available on Youtube about the physical suffering of ex-NFL players. Of course there is the CTE factor as well.
Maybe it wasn't any one specific thing but a number of things combined which led to the decision. As well as family matters. Perhaps in private his wife would have liked to see him quit?
In any event, what's done is done, and I don't begrudge what he did one bit.
I was just a young kid when Sandy Koufax in his prime, quit for somewhat similar reasons. I don't recall anyone begrudging Koufax for the decision, not even the media.
Of course there wasn't internet forums back then. LOL
I have no idea how fantasy football works, never played it, never will.
But i would have to believe that those who chose Luck, and if that pick is not revocable, then that would certainly have to hiss off those fantasy football players especially for a key position such as that.
I would guess that if your fantasy team's season revolves around Luck doing well, then you're practically drawing dead at this point before the season even begins. I wouldn't blame fantasy players for being hissed off about that. Almost like the jockey falling off the horse you bet, right after the race begins.
Guys that did their fantasy drafts and took Luck are screwed. Bottom line the drafts over. I’m doing g my draft on 9/3 so we know what’s up with injuries and apparently now retirements 😳
we are going to find out if bresset or jimmy G is better now. Both were traded for a crate of lightbulbs and are going to be starters
If they're the old type (not energy efficient), they one day could be worth something.
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would not at all be surprised if this turns out to be a seminal moment for the nfl, whereby an increasing number of the biggest stars call it a career sooner rather than later
luck is no dummy. not even an estimated half bil is worth becoming an invalid for
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I cannot believe they are letting him keep that, that is more than a nice gesture lol
Very puzzling.
No offense to Luck or anything, but it's not like he won any Super Bowls. He never even got to one.
The only reason i can think of is the Colts are hoping that Luck changes his mind and comes back one day, and they don't wish to hiss him off in any way from wanting to do that.
Well i've got some bad news for the Colts - this guy ain't ever coming back.
It's a ridiculously awful bad business decision by the Colts in so many different ways. One biggee is the guy doesn't even need the money for crying out loud.
Yea it’s a slap in the face to all the other guys in the league that are fighting for a roster spot, this guy just screws over the entire organization and gets a 24 Million gift for doing that? Once Irsay sobers up he might be annoyed at himself for making such a stupid decision.
Dude you have to let this go
they spent no money on the o-line for about a decade , Luck was sacked 174 times . He missed 2016 , in 2015 he was sacked 41 times !!! I wonder if there is a connection
Obviously Irsay likes Luck and that's fine. But the guy quit for crying out loud.
Oh well, it ain't my money, so why should I give a chit? LOL
Why do you have such a vested interest in Luck!? Your defending him like is a family member 🤷♂️ The NFL is rough I get it. Also not to mention I think he is a weirdo with that stupid neck beard 🙄
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I just think its silly to care if the guy retires . He doesn't owe anyone anything, plus if the colts were well run none of this would have happened . They killed Peyton Manning before they rubbed Luck out. They are idiots , I'm still amazed they managed to draft Manning , it must have been by mistake
We agree on the neck beard , but he probably had a real beard at some point and sprained it and thats all that would come back
Andrew Luck made the correct decision for Andrew Luck. He’s got plenty of money, he’s had the crap kicked out of him for a lifetime playing QB and he has no realistic chance to win a Super Bowl based on the other teams in the NFL, his own team and the owner. He would have been wise to leave Indianapolis after his rookie deal ended - he could have gone to a better run franchise that would do more for him: the Colts gave him no coach, no weapons, no line and no defense in his tenure there. Nothing. He stayed and it continued. To face a decade of this would be foolish and counterproductive but he’s locked in there in this terribly run franchise; further proof being they let him keep an extra $24 million. No we’ll run franchise is doing that.
I imagine Barry Sanders felt similarly when he left the Lions.
Why am I killing myself for this when no one else is?
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Lol they made the playoffs last year, Divisional finals right? You can’t win a Super Bowl without making the playoffs first. I thought they were going in the right direction, they lost to KC which is nothing to be ashamed of
So when Tom Brady finally announces that he's retiring, if this is the new way of doing things in the NFL, what is Kraft now going to have to give him as a going away present?
240 million?
I agree and I think most everyone here feels the same. We were just playing our big boy card! He might have picked a better way or time, but it was wrong for the fans to boo him after what he has done for the team over the years.
Not enough
How about the state of Massachusetts?
Oh he can have it! I mean I’d take a C Note over the State of Massachusetts 🙄
The descendants of the Pilgrims are going to be very upset with you for saying that.
The 2019 season just ended for the Indianapolis Colts. The last time he was out, they finished at the bottom of their division. It sucks for the fans, and I understand their frustration. He should have retired at the end of last season.
Still I can understand his concerns. Pro football is a life shortening sport for many who play it. If Luck no longer wants to put his body on the line, I can respect that. Still his timing was lousy.