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Hate to say the D word, but - THIS IS A DOUBLED DIE COIN (with a larger spread than many)!

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One of my favorites.

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  • MattTheRileyMattTheRiley Posts: 806 ✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @MattTheRiley said:
    Nope, sorry, just plain old hub doubling. :D

    Unfortunately, there are some folks here who may not get your humor. :(

    I am glad you did!

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That one has been known since 1939.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A "double stop" on the high 'cello.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    DD coins have a lot more panache than the typical "errors", definitely a neat desirable coin.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,861 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Finally, whew! I was wondering how long it would take before somebody found something cool.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    DD coins have a lot more panache than the typical "errors", definitely a neat desirable coin.

    As long as they have reasonable separation. Some of the minor DD's that express as simply extra wide letters lack "panache"

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 39 DD is definitely the King of the DD Nickels, but some of the 45s are interesting and fairly visible.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reasonable separation, well put.

  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can dig a spread like that.

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    The 39 DD is definitely the King of the DD Nickels, but some of the 45s are interesting and fairly visible.

    Yeah, 45-P DDO#1 is a good one.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    The 39 DD is definitely the King of the DD Nickels, but some of the 45s are interesting and fairly visible.

    I thought the 1916 DDO was the king of DD nickels.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2019 3:13AM

    @PerryHall said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    The 39 DD is definitely the King of the DD Nickels, but some of the 45s are interesting and fairly visible.

    I thought the 1916 DDO was the king of DD nickels.

    True. I meant jeffersons.

  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's the ONLY DDR I ever found in circulation !

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is indeed a nice DDR....great spread on the letters. Would love to find one roll searching....Well, it could happen... :# Cheers, RickO

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a friend that has one of those in MS66!

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,606 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2019 9:44AM

    Very nice variety! I used to have a MS example...sold it. I recently picked a nicely toned AU example.

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2019 11:12AM

    Beauuutiful DD! One of my favorites for sure. This DD has the same quality and recognition as the famous '55 DD Lincoln.
    That said, I don't understand the difference in value?

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    The 39 DD is definitely the King of the DD Nickels, but some of the 45s are interesting and fairly visible.

    I thought the 1916 DDO was the king of DD nickels.

    King of the JEFFERSON DD Nicks.

    Pete

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:
    Beauuutiful DD! One of my favorites for sure. This DD has the same quality and recognition as the famous '55 DD Lincoln.
    That said, I don't understand the difference in value?

    Lincoln cents have always been more popular than Jefferson nickels.

    It's always supply relative to demand. Even a unique coin that no one wants will have limited value.

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Could it also be a question of America favoring Abe more than Thomas as President? :*

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:
    Could it also be a question of America favoring Abe more than Thomas as President? :*

    Maybe. I think there's a lot that goes into it.

    One of the biggest factors is "penny boards ". Most kids in the 40s and on got started with filling cent albums from circulation. Those glaring SVDB and 55DD holes linger in your mind to adulthood.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:
    Beauuutiful DD! One of my favorites for sure. This DD has the same quality and recognition as the famous '55 DD Lincoln.
    That said, I don't understand the difference in value?

    Are you serious? The doubling on this coin doesn't begin to compare to the doubling on the1955 DDO cent.

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  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭

    Degree of doubling (spread) does not always convey a high value. Look at the 1963 Washington FS-101. Great spread but still cheap!

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Could be because they were very easy to find and most are high grade. A conspiracy nut might say that
    every-so-often the Mint produces something as this to spur sales. It's something I should do as the Mint Director. B)

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @georgiacop50 said:
    Degree of doubling (spread) does not always convey a high value. Look at the 1963 Washington FS-101. Great spread but still cheap!

    That's because most are found in Mint sets and the variety is common. The same can be said about the 1974-D DDO-001 half dollar.

  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I tried to buy one of these once from a customer, it was smokin, He would not sell it, In fact, it might be the same coin that asheland' buddy has, asheland aren't you over in the Asheville area. That's where this guy was from when he passed thru a few years ago??

  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s a very cool nickel, man😎

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,861 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @koynekwest said:

    @georgiacop50 said:
    Degree of doubling (spread) does not always convey a high value. Look at the 1963 Washington FS-101. Great spread but still cheap!

    That's because most are found in Mint sets and the variety is common. The same can be said about the 1974-D DDO-001 half dollar.

    I found one of those last year and in a mint set, MS65 value I think $90.00


  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $90? It's still relatively common.

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since these are found in Mint sets the survivabilty is high, much more so than something that was released directly into circulation. And most in Mint sets are early die states. Many that were found in the Mint sets have been cherried but at one time 25-25 years ago they were easy to find.

    Did you sell your MS65 for $90?

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @georgiacop50 said:
    Degree of doubling (spread) does not always convey a high value. Look at the 1963 Washington FS-101. Great spread but still cheap!

    It's confirmed, but looks like MDD to me.

    Pete

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  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I actually got it ;)

    @Insider2 said:

    @MattTheRiley said:
    Nope, sorry, just plain old hub doubling. :D

    Unfortunately, there are some folks here who may not get your humor. :(

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for the posting ..... always fun seeing double :)

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,861 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @koynekwest said:
    Since these are found in Mint sets the survivabilty is high, much more so than something that was released directly into circulation. And most in Mint sets are early die states. Many that were found in the Mint sets have been cherried but at one time 25-25 years ago they were easy to find.

    Did you sell your MS65 for $90?

    No, I'm keeping it for now , that was the book value. So probably worth less.

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Think of the time period. Way back in 1939 or 1940, this gem ('39 Jeffers.DD) had to fuel the hobby tremendously! Esp. in the variety/error category. Think of the hunt and/or craze this new DD must have caused? So,16 or 17 years later, the famous '55 DD came out. Does anyone suppose this new DD would stop the love for the former Nickel DD? Meaning, do you think the collectors back then would throw the Monticello under the bus for this new DD? Just a thought. I am aware of the present love for the '55 but how 'bout back in the day? :)

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:
    Think of the time period. Way back in 1939 or 1940, this gem ('39 Jeffers.DD) had to fuel the hobby tremendously! Esp. in the variety/error category. Think of the hunt and/or craze this new DD must have caused? So,16 or 17 years later, the famous '55 DD came out. Does anyone suppose this new DD would stop the love for the former Nickel DD? Meaning, do you think the collectors back then would throw the Monticello under the bus for this new DD? Just a thought. I am aware of the present love for the '55 but how 'bout back in the day? :)

    You've assumed too much. It's quite possible no one cared in 1940.

    Also, keep in mind that this doubling is on a small feature. It is not always visible to the naked eye, especially to noncollectors.

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2019 11:42AM

    You may be right? Yeah, when and even why, would anybody even think of taking a microscope or a magnifier to a coin back then? It would be worth the time and effort to dig in history to discover when and what coin was the "first" coin to be called a variety/error? Am I digging too deep? LOL

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:
    Think of the time period. Way back in 1939 or 1940, this gem ('39 Jeffers.DD) had to fuel the hobby tremendously! Esp. in the variety/error category. Think of the hunt and/or craze this new DD must have caused? So,16 or 17 years later, the famous '55 DD came out. Does anyone suppose this new DD would stop the love for the former Nickel DD? Meaning, do you think the collectors back then would throw the Monticello under the bus for this new DD? Just a thought. I am aware of the present love for the '55 but how 'bout back in the day? :)

    According to a stacks catalog, this variety wasn't even discovered until the end of 1942.

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @joeykoins said:
    Think of the time period. Way back in 1939 or 1940, this gem ('39 Jeffers.DD) had to fuel the hobby tremendously! Esp. in the variety/error category. Think of the hunt and/or craze this new DD must have caused? So,16 or 17 years later, the famous '55 DD came out. Does anyone suppose this new DD would stop the love for the former Nickel DD? Meaning, do you think the collectors back then would throw the Monticello under the bus for this new DD? Just a thought. I am aware of the present love for the '55 but how 'bout back in the day? :)

    According to a stacks catalog, this variety wasn't even discovered until the end of 1942.

    Oh? Nice detective work!

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2019 11:49AM

    1942? Wow, guess what coins just hit my brain? ;) The varieties/errors just get better as time goes.
    Here's another thought. Think of the first person to ever discover a variety/error coin. Imagine his eagerness to check for all the possibilities, past, present and future?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:
    1942? Wow, guess what coins just hit my brain? ;) The varieties/errors just get better as time goes.
    Here's another thought. Think of the first person to ever discover a variety/error coin. Imagine his eagerness to check for all the possibilities, past, present and future?

    Again, you're projecting into the past. Varieties are so common on 19th century coins, nobody probably cared except for a couple curmudgeons who complained about shoddy Mint production quality.

    In fact, if you go back to hand struck coins, each coin is virtually unique.

    It's not the errors that made the coins popular, in all likelihood, but the person who decided to hype them.

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well I like to meet the man/woman who hyped them. I'll give them a great big KISS. That is if they're still alive. <3

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pete-it is a doubled die. And a decent one at that.

    I can remember when the only two varieties anyone paid attention to was the 3 legged buff and the 55/55 1c. A few others were known but were pretty much ignored except for the 20th century overdates. There was lots more out there, tho.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:
    Well I like to meet the man/woman who hyped them. I'll give them a great big KISS. That is if they're still alive. <3

    Lol. Nothing wrong with loving them.

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