BBCE National "Monster" - What could it be?

ArtVandelay · July 25, 2019 1:44PM

The unearthing of a PSA 8oc 1972 Rich Auerbach

toadstrangler · July 25, 2019 2:16PM

@ArtVandelay said:
The unearthing of a PSA 8oc 1972 Rich Auerbach

That’s not OC enough to gain the designation IMO

gemint · July 25, 2019 3:25PM

Maybe they found a bunch of cards of this guy?

perkdog · July 25, 2019 4:21PM

Speaking of ‘52 wax didn’t the Baseball Card Kid buy a bunch from some elderly woman years ago? Anyone remember how much the packs were going for then and or if they were legit?

BriYo79 · July 26, 2019 7:50AM

@perkdog said:
Speaking of ‘52 wax didn’t the Baseball Card Kid buy a bunch from some elderly woman years ago? Anyone remember how much the packs were going for then and or if they were legit?

Are you trying to depress us all?? Lol

momo1234 · July 26, 2019 8:14AM

has anyone ever considered, it could be an actual monster? seriously. that would be something.

dontippet · July 26, 2019 8:21AM

1st series garbage pail kids wax case?

Coarsegold · July 26, 2019 11:49AM

A unopened case of 1991 Topps Desert Shield would be pretty Bad A$$.

olb31 · July 26, 2019 11:58AM

Uncut sheet of 1982 topps Shooty Babbitt rookies?

RyansRust · July 26, 2019 1:26PM

@1970s said:
There are plenty of monsters to be obtained. Whether it be Mr. Horenchuk's complete run of hockey wax boxes from 1951 through 1980, or Mr. Simmon's complete run of baseball wax boxes from 1950 through 1971. Or perhaps it is Gordie Howe's mint uncut sheet of 1951 parkhurst that he got for free for doing a golf tournament, and now that he's gone, his family is consigning it, or perhaps it is the mint 1952 topps baseball uncut sheets from that owner in St. Louis. It can be any of the above, or countless other "monsters" that are out there, and probably will never see the light of day. All I can say, is that I'm looking forward to seeing it, whatever it is.

This post is like a bedtime story for adult collectors. Thank you.

perkdog · July 26, 2019 6:32PM

@BriYo79 said:

@perkdog said:
Speaking of ‘52 wax didn’t the Baseball Card Kid buy a bunch from some elderly woman years ago? Anyone remember how much the packs were going for then and or if they were legit?

Are you trying to depress us all?? Lol

I’m totally serious, were the packs legit? I read the story on his website years ago but always wondered i they were legit packs, I know he disappeared from the card scene and don’t know the story

gemint · July 27, 2019 4:09AM

@perkdog said:

@BriYo79 said:

@perkdog said:
Speaking of ‘52 wax didn’t the Baseball Card Kid buy a bunch from some elderly woman years ago? Anyone remember how much the packs were going for then and or if they were legit?

Are you trying to depress us all?? Lol

I’m totally serious, were the packs legit? I read the story on his website years ago but always wondered i they were legit packs, I know he disappeared from the card scene and don’t know the story

They were legit. Many of the graded packs today came from that find.

Unknown · July 27, 2019 4:28AM

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flatfoot816 · July 27, 2019 6:53AM

@perkdog said:
Speaking of ‘52 wax didn’t the Baseball Card Kid buy a bunch from some elderly woman years ago? Anyone remember how much the packs were going for then and or if they were legit?

the find was out west--I am thinking Vegas. An old woman found a stack of packs--maybe 40? He was selling them direct from his site for $1K and then on eBay and they were going for $1200. I just kicked myself again for not pulling the trigger back then--maybe 2002

Darin · July 27, 2019 1:43PM

2000 panini contenders FB unopened case.
I doubt this is the monster, but Brady's best unopened product never gets mentioned,
unlike Jordan or some of the other superstars.

perkdog · July 27, 2019 3:05PM

@flatfoot816 said:

@perkdog said:
Speaking of ‘52 wax didn’t the Baseball Card Kid buy a bunch from some elderly woman years ago? Anyone remember how much the packs were going for then and or if they were legit?

the find was out west--I am thinking Vegas. An old woman found a stack of packs--maybe 40? He was selling them direct from his site for $1K and then on eBay and they were going for $1200. I just kicked myself again for not pulling the trigger back then--maybe 2002

Thank you. And yes 1-1200 was a steal looking back!! Wow

toadstrangler · July 31, 2019 8:55AM

I was right on with 1952 Topps! Except it's not a full High Series case LOL

8 pack brick of 1952 Topps Wax packs for $575,000

Nathaniel1960 · July 31, 2019 8:56AM

BriYo79 · July 31, 2019 9:09AM

Were these packs distributed in 8 pack bricks from Topps?

brendanb438 · July 31, 2019 9:40AM

Group buy?

LarkinCollector · July 31, 2019 9:45AM

@coinspacks said:

@nam812 said:
That was already over $8,500 a pack 15 years ago. What's a legit pack go for these days?

$11500 is what one sold for a couple weeks ago on milehigh

So these are magically worth 6.25x each in an 8-pack brick? I don't get it.

brad31 · July 31, 2019 9:49AM

It looks like BBCE does not know marketing 101. Would be gone if they had priced it $547,999.99 like the rest of the retail world does!

Seriously would be cool if someone bought and opened them. Less cool but more realistic someone buys and stores them away and someday lets them go a pack at a time in auction.

Hope they are still there to take a gander at when I get there on Friday.

toadstrangler · July 31, 2019 10:00AM

The real question is what series are they?

Vagabond · July 31, 2019 10:10AM

I'm not sure how to even price something like that but imo, it just seems waaaay too over priced, but who knows. Especially if its not the "Mantle" high series. Makes more sense to just purchase a PSA 7 or even an ugly PSA 8. I guess they'll entertain offers. Better to go high than low.

This would be justifiable suicide if someone were to open it and get a complete bust.

JakeR2234 · July 31, 2019 10:45AM

@softparade said:
The real question is what series are they?

Steve said he is selling as series 1, as the rest of the packs from that find were series 1. So, no Mantles presumably.

ahopkins · July 31, 2019 10:51AM

Group break! Who's with me??

stevek · July 31, 2019 11:05AM

Holy chit.

Often companies are prone to marketing exaggeration, but i agree with the "monster" statement on this one.

Now if I can just scrape together a lousy 575k. 🤔

stevek · July 31, 2019 11:09AM

DotStore · July 31, 2019 11:12AM

@ahopkins said:
Group break! Who's with me??

100 people, $5K each (assuming he would sell for $500K)

jmoran19 · July 31, 2019 11:26AM

@DotStore said:

@ahopkins said:
Group break! Who's with me??

100 people, $5K each (assuming he would sell for $500K)

100 people for 40 to 45 cards? We cutting them in half?

mintonlypls · July 31, 2019 11:30AM

The good cards are in the high series, not series 1.

DotStore · July 31, 2019 11:31AM

@jmoran19 said:

100 people for 40 to 45 cards? We cutting them in half?

We would all be "shareholders"

stevek · July 31, 2019 11:31AM

At say $500,000 with 40 cards, that's a brutal price of 12.5k per card if it's not a high series.

And of course no guarantee of centering, and the cards could possibly max out to PSA 7 or 8. Certainly no guarantee of any 9's.

It's a buy or break only for those whereby money is no object.

Could possibly wind-up in the hands of Vintage Breaks? Vintage Breaks has probably already made them an offer.

secretstash · July 31, 2019 11:45AM

@Vagabond said:
I'm not sure how to even price something like that but imo, it just seems waaaay too over priced, but who knows. Especially if its not the "Mantle" high series. Makes more sense to just purchase a PSA 7 or even an ugly PSA 8. I guess they'll entertain offers. Better to go high than low.

This would be justifiable suicide if someone were to open it and get a complete bust.

Even though the price is insanely high, I doubt anyone would go bust when every 9 opened would be thousands of any player. Pafko would pay for the break cost in a top pop grade as well.

Vagabond · July 31, 2019 12:16PM

@secretstash said:

@Vagabond said:
I'm not sure how to even price something like that but imo, it just seems waaaay too over priced, but who knows. Especially if its not the "Mantle" high series. Makes more sense to just purchase a PSA 7 or even an ugly PSA 8. I guess they'll entertain offers. Better to go high than low.

This would be justifiable suicide if someone were to open it and get a complete bust.

Even though the price is insanely high, I doubt anyone would go bust when every 9 opened would be thousands of any player. Pafko would pay for the break cost in a top pop grade as well.

I personally don't agree with that. Most players in that set in a 9 range would generally be in the 3K range (and that's leaning more towards the lower end side). Pafko is just one other name is a set of 407 cards. In that set, there are about 13 key cards really that could make it worth wild. What we know is that card 311 will not be one of those cards and when you're spending over half a million on a pack, there better be the possibility of a 52 Mantle inside out of 8 cards. This is simply over priced and there is virtually no chance of winning by opening that pack, let alone a low series pack.

JakeR2234 · July 31, 2019 12:32PM

@Vagabond said:

@secretstash said:

@Vagabond said:
I'm not sure how to even price something like that but imo, it just seems waaaay too over priced, but who knows. Especially if its not the "Mantle" high series. Makes more sense to just purchase a PSA 7 or even an ugly PSA 8. I guess they'll entertain offers. Better to go high than low.

This would be justifiable suicide if someone were to open it and get a complete bust.

Even though the price is insanely high, I doubt anyone would go bust when every 9 opened would be thousands of any player. Pafko would pay for the break cost in a top pop grade as well.

I personally don't agree with that. Most players in that set in a 9 range would generally be in the 3K range (and that's leaning more towards the lower end side). Pafko is just one other name is a set of 407 cards. In that set, there are about 13 key cards really that could make it worth wild. What we know is that card 311 will not be one of those cards and when you're spending over half a million on a pack, there better be the possibility of a 52 Mantle inside out of 8 cards. This is simply over priced and there is virtually no chance of winning by opening that pack, let alone a low series pack.

It is a total of 8 packs for that price. Still pricey but the rarity of the unopened wax pack is what your paying for, not the cards inside.

UFFDAH · July 31, 2019 1:13PM

Some cool packs for sure!!

toadstrangler · July 31, 2019 1:19PM

@JakeR2234 said:

@Vagabond said:

@secretstash said:

@Vagabond said:
I'm not sure how to even price something like that but imo, it just seems waaaay too over priced, but who knows. Especially if its not the "Mantle" high series. Makes more sense to just purchase a PSA 7 or even an ugly PSA 8. I guess they'll entertain offers. Better to go high than low.

This would be justifiable suicide if someone were to open it and get a complete bust.

Even though the price is insanely high, I doubt anyone would go bust when every 9 opened would be thousands of any player. Pafko would pay for the break cost in a top pop grade as well.

I personally don't agree with that. Most players in that set in a 9 range would generally be in the 3K range (and that's leaning more towards the lower end side). Pafko is just one other name is a set of 407 cards. In that set, there are about 13 key cards really that could make it worth wild. What we know is that card 311 will not be one of those cards and when you're spending over half a million on a pack, there better be the possibility of a 52 Mantle inside out of 8 cards. This is simply over priced and there is virtually no chance of winning by opening that pack, let alone a low series pack.

It is a total of 8 packs for that price. Still pricey but the rarity of the unopened wax pack is what your paying for, not the cards inside.

Yes all 8 packs for 575K
I wouldn't touch them if I had that kind of money unless they were high series packs.

ndleo · July 31, 2019 1:36PM

Sold before the weekend? Place your bets!

DotStore · July 31, 2019 1:50PM

oh man, series 1? forget about it, I'm out! (Kramer voice)

ahopkins · July 31, 2019 1:59PM

@DotStore said:
oh man, series 1? forget about it, I'm out! (Kramer voice)

45isodd · July 31, 2019 1:59PM

Pafko PSA 10 wouldn’t cover the buy.

Unknown · July 31, 2019 2:01PM

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DotStore · July 31, 2019 2:08PM

@1970s said:
So here's a question for you hard core pack guys. This sold for $456,000 earlier this year.

Would you rather have those packs, or this and $100,000 left over to buy yourself a new car ?
>

I vote for the card...

Vagabond · July 31, 2019 2:09PM

@1970s said:
So here's a question for you hard core pack guys. This sold for $456,000 earlier this year.

Would you rather have those packs, or this and $100,000 left over to buy yourself a new car ?

This guy gets it. Overpriced.

mexpo75 · July 31, 2019 2:46PM

The card and $100,000 in the bank!

70ToppsFanatic · July 31, 2019 2:50PM

It’s probably priced to give some negotiating room.

LarkinCollector · July 31, 2019 2:57PM

@70ToppsFanatic said:
It’s probably priced to give some negotiating room.

8x final price (including buyers premium) on this one: http://www.milehighcardco.com/1952_Topps_Unopened_Wax_Pack_1st_Series_GAI_6_5_EX-LOT63226.aspx comes out to under $100k. That's a crazy amount of negotiating room, unless I'm missing something.

brad31 · July 31, 2019 3:02PM

I believe Series 1 is only cards 1 to 80 so pretty good shot at a Pafko in there. HOF in the series are Spahn, Snider, Rizzuto, Irvin, Roberts and Slaughter.

There are a lot of really low pop high grade commons in that series.

Now I would take the Mantle and the cash for sure - but if you are in the market for this brick at this price you probably already have a Mantle.

gemint · July 31, 2019 3:03PM

This should be from the Mark Murphy find. They were series one and were housed in 8 pack cello bricks. The price is clearly astronomical but I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Hank Steinbrenner bought it just for the fun of ripping it. According to net worth estimates, he's worth $3.8 billion. That's equivalent to a person worth $1 million spending $150 on the item. That would be worth the fun.

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