Are we doomed to one sided design changes in perpetuity? Who next?

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Aspie_Rocco
Aspie_Rocco Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 12, 2019 12:36AM in U.S. Coin Forum

It just dawned on me that all recent “permanent “ design changes have been one sided, with the exception of the innobuck which continues the one side change tradition going forward.
We saw the quarter ‘99 revamped each following year, then Jefferson suffered the same fate in 2004, 2005, settling in 2006, followed by Lincoln in ‘09 with the Shield in 2010.

I am sort of waiting for the other shoe to drop with Roosevelt or Kennedy. The dime has been unchanged for a long run!

If the trend on one sided alterations continues, who is next?

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  • Namvet69
    Namvet69 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A completely new design will come first

    I'm not gonna hold my breath but it would be close to a miracle if the mint went retro and used a classic design with exciting motion and details galore. Peace Roy

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  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2019 5:36AM
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    There are some signs of action but I’ve never seen collectors mobilized to contact Congress.

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A completely new design will come first

    While I agree with @keets post in general ... I think we will see a new design first. It is unlikely (not impossible) that it will be the dime (Presently a political icon), it could be the half dollar. The memory of the assassination and his Presidency has long faded, plus he would be totally out of favor in his party today. So this could be the next change... plus, it is not really circulating coinage (though it does occasionally).

  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Someone should get this on the radar of some of the politicians proposing sweeping changes now.

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  • yspsales
    yspsales Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Kennedy Half

    Sad but would not trust them to come up with something new.

    I see Kennedy reverses before roosevelt.

    Reverses highlighting achievements would be nice. New Deal, Gettysburg address, crossing the Delaware, space exploration to name a few.

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  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A completely new design will come first

    Wishful thinking. I think maintaining the obverse design lets them skirt the "time in service" requirement for coin designs. That still exists right? 15 years or something?

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A completely new design will come first

    Ill be watching for a new design on something just not sure what yet. fwiw at this time

  • ms70
    ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Zoins said:
    Someone should get this on the radar of some of the politicians proposing sweeping changes now.

    The last thing we need is help from a politician.

  • 3stars
    3stars Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Roosevelt Dime

    Time to end the cent and the half. Pointless coins.

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  • keets
    keets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A $5 coin will come first

    circulating coinage isn't meant for commemoration, there is a separate class of collectible coinage with a long history dedicated to that. allowing the SHQ's to be issued, though good in the effect it had on our Hobby, has become a cancer that has spread to every denomination.

  • keets
    keets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A $5 coin will come first

    actually, each of our current circulating coins is based on commemoration going all the way back to 1909.

  • BackroadJunkie
    BackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You didn't include the most likely one.

    The quarter.

    In the ATB law is a clause that states a second round of 56 ATB quarters can be issued after the current program ends.

    Is congress dumb enough to do this? (Is that a rhetorical question?)

  • CommemKing
    CommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Roosevelt Dime

    We were doomed when spaghetti hair started. There is no hope for future coins designs.

  • TommyType
    TommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A $5 coin will come first

    Eventually....sooner or later....The current cent and nickel will be viewed as too expensive to produce. (The facts say they probably are already. It's the "view" that needs to catch up).

    At that point, the easy decision would be to remove the cent, and create a cheaper nickel. That could drive metallic changes in the clad coinage as well.

    Once you've decided on THAT, there might be agreement to make design changes too. Right now, there just isn't any momentum or interest in changing the existing designs, (for political, laziness, and other reasons).

    The other option is that coinage goes away completely, and we store our money on a smart phone. :rage:

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  • illini420
    illini420 Posts: 11,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A completely new design will come first

    That was the problem with starting to put Presidents on our coins... very difficult (if not impossible) to then change the design.

    Before, with Lady Liberty on the, design changes were not as controversial and certainly not political as we were just replacing Liberty with Liberty.

    But not that we have presidents on the coins, there will be opposition, strong political opposition to whoever you suggest removing/replacing. Just isn't going to happen. The only way I can see it happening is if there is legislation to remove all presidents from the coinage and replace all of them with Lady Liberty again.

    But to just try to remove any one of them for a design change, especially if the replacement is another president, just isn't going to happen.

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  • Wahoo554
    Wahoo554 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Roosevelt Dime

    @CommemKing said:
    We were doomed when spaghetti hair started. There is no hope for future coins designs.

    What coin design are you referring to?

  • Wahoo554
    Wahoo554 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Roosevelt Dime

    I’m so tired of the mint’s numismatic ADD. If they want to increase general collector interest they should deliberately create small batches of error coins and release them into the wild. But I suppose that wouldn’t be the revenue driver that all these new commemoratives bring. I hate the new obverse design of the Jefferson nickel.

  • CommemKing
    CommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Roosevelt Dime

    @Wahoo554 Mostly the Washington Quarter. The hair design changed in the 1990's to a spaghetti looking design. It just shows how the coins are moving more modern looking as the years progress. We will never have the coins we saw in the '40's and before.

  • TommyType
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    A $5 coin will come first

    @CommemKing said:
    @Wahoo554 Mostly the Washington Quarter. The hair design changed in the 1990's to a spaghetti looking design. It just shows how the coins are moving more modern looking as the years progress. We will never have the coins we saw in the '40's and before.

    Ain't that the truth.

    Even if you convinced the Mint to do a, say, Seated Liberty design again, the chances are it would look like a cartoon rendition of the original anyway.

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  • cursive
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    A $5 coin will come first

    We need a significant currency reform but doing anything meaningful would require a President with the political will and political capital to shepherd through the necessary laws. Right now it isn't feasible.

    There's an interesting old interview with the new Chief Engraver, Joe Menna, where he says part of the design problem is due to a technical issue that comes from collector demand for proof coins. Basically, there needs to be a sharp distinction between the mirrored fields and the frosted devices for the dies to be polished properly, and that means subtle detail gets lost before the design phase. The reformed issues of the early 20th century also had problems with proof finishes, but the actual designs were the best that American coins have ever been. The tail's wagging the dog.

    Here's the interview, the relevant part starts at 6:54.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GonXd_nXwo&t=413

  • Wahoo554
    Wahoo554 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Roosevelt Dime

    We need another Teddy Roosevelt. I don’t mind the new shield reverse for pennies, though it isn’t anything special. I’d love to see lady liberty make a comeback, though I fear she would look cartoonish.

  • Aspie_Rocco
    Aspie_Rocco Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2019 6:29PM
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    Roosevelt Dime

    On a side note
    I think it would be interesting if they made mint specific designs. For example, a different design on one or both sides exclusively produced at each mint. It would open a flood gate of new designs and at minimum double circulating designs. Good or bad idea, it might be interesting.

    Or if they did various tiny “New Deal” reverses on dimes.

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  • ReadyFireAim
    ReadyFireAim Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @cursive said:
    Basically, there needs to be a sharp distinction between the mirrored fields and the frosted devices for the dies to be >polished properly, and that means subtle detail gets lost before the design phase.

    Why do we have to have frosted devices anyway?

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  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2019 9:09AM
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    A completely new design will come first

    The designs, denom, size need compl work over instead of being stuck in something which became obsolete decades ago.

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  • SilverEagle420
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    Roosevelt Dime

    @Wahoo554 said:
    I’m so tired of the mint’s numismatic ADD. If they want to increase general collector interest they should deliberately create small batches of error coins and release them into the wild. But I suppose that wouldn’t be the revenue driver that all these new commemoratives bring. I hate the new obverse design of the Jefferson nickel.

    He looks like a planet of the apes character on that nickel

  • Paradisefound
    Paradisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A completely new design will come first

    A completely new design will come first

    I would like to see another would be classic like Buffalo nickel :)

  • jmski52
    jmski52 Posts: 24,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If I had my choice (which I don't) I would leave the Cent and Nickel alone and make the Dime, Quarter & Half a totally new design and all the same like the Barber and Seated era. The obverse should be a new and classic looking LIBERTY and the reverse should be a strong and forceful Eagle.

    I agree with Dimeman's idea, and the only caveat that I would add is to make money great again by revaluing the dollar and reverting back to the classic compositions for all denominations, and to include circulating silver dollars along with circulating gold coinage.

    And as Dimeman also said, we will never see this and I'm wasting my time typing it. :o

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  • Stooge
    Stooge Posts: 4,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Roosevelt Dime

    I for one would love to see the Dime redone completely. The dead President motif just doesn't work anymore and they need to do something, anything different.


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  • Aspie_Rocco
    Aspie_Rocco Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Roosevelt Dime

    @jmski52 said:
    If I had my choice (which I don't) I would leave the Cent and Nickel alone and make the Dime, Quarter & Half a totally new design and all the same like the Barber and Seated era. The obverse should be a new and classic looking LIBERTY and the reverse should be a strong and forceful Eagle.

    I agree with Dimeman's idea, and the only caveat that I would add is to make money great again by revaluing the dollar and reverting back to the classic compositions for all denominations, and to include circulating silver dollars along with circulating gold coinage.

    And as Dimeman also said, we will never see this and I'm wasting my time typing it. :o

    A hexagon or decagon silver composite dollar would be awesome, and be different enough to separate from quarters if the size was similar to SBA Sac Pres

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  • ms70
    ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The one thing we all seem to agree upon is that we're sick & tired of our un-artistic and continually changing circulating coinage.

  • Wahoo554
    Wahoo554 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Roosevelt Dime

    The one positive about the constantly changing coinage is that average Joe’s are less likely to notice when wheaties and buffalos and other past designs are in circulation which increases the odds for collectors like us to find them in change.

  • don129
    don129 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭
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    It's all but guaranteed that ANY new design will be 100% politically correct and dull. So if those are the only permissible choices, I'd rather they leave things as-is forever

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  • BillJones
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    Here is another response. Be happy with what you ate getting. When I started collecting in 1960, there had been The Lincoln Memorial reverse introduced in 1959, which was the first change in 50 years for the design. Prior to that, there was the Franklin Half Dollar in 1948. Then came Kennedy in 1964, which killed the half dollar as a viable coin in the economy. There were no commemorative coins, just new medals, which did not grab the interest of many collectors. Then there was Ike in 1971.

    If you follow my drift, we are now in a golden age for now coins, although I would that it is more like an overblown age because there is more new stuff than we want or have the funds to buy. If you bought every new coin the mint issues in a year, you would need to spend over $30,000. It’s been like that for a while.

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