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I don’t normally post pics of my Indian Cents...
MrEureka
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...but this one is too bad to keep to myself!
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
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Looks more like a Civil War token with a date that is 30 years after the fact.
What is the story behind this?
I want it! Just tell me how much.
Wrong forum! Go to the BST! 🤑
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what date is T89T?
Cool actually!
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Some type of error I guess.
I want it, but why?
Is there a mintmatk beneath the wreath on the reverse? Possibly as S?
I always feel a little left out and dumb when two experts start talking in their heady own advanced numismatic language while leaving me in my early/beginning hobby stage where I realize I know little to nothing.
Too true. But coin looks a bit funny.
Wow - now that's crazy. Even I can see somethings not right.....
It's e pluribus unum out of known 1891 contemporary counterfeit IHC's.
Did any of the pluribus look as bad as this one?
Last one I saw was about 5 years ago and they are all really crude looking.
The neat part is why in the world would someone spend so much time making a counterfeit cent when it was just as time consuming to do higher denominations. I guess just as cashiers today question the authenticity of $50 and $100 bills, no one ever inspects a $1 bill.
I've got a couple of these as well - they are cool. At least 50 are estimated to still exist
I had never seen this particular counterfeit! Way kewl!
Very interesting....I did not know about this IHC counterfeit.... certainly obvious to those who know IHC's.... I am sure it fooled people back in the day... and even now for new collectors. Cheers, RickO
In spite of their being obvious counterfeits they appear to have spent a long time in circulation. I guess it is true that the bad penny always comes back!
I'm guessing VF. Very funny.
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It’s cool
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
Wow, now that is seriously cool. Does anyone know the history behind these pieces?
Edited to add... are they made of copper?
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its the disease we got raybo, me included
They are copper. And unfortunately after 2+ years of fairly exhaustive reviews of historic newspapers and other related documents I have not found a single report of a counterfeit '1891' dated Indian cent. I've found a handful of other reports of contemporary counterfeit struck counterfeit Indians, but weirdly those dates have not yet surfaced (at least in my research they haven't).
Okay, 50 known and in what reference work are they listed with a catalogue number? Weight, size close to an IHC, could they be a restrikes or overstrikes? Tell us more. Peace Roy
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Notice that the 1’s in the date were punched with the right part of an M punch cut into two pieces, and that the M of AMERICA was punched from the two pieces with the left piece predominant.
These have never been published in a reference as far as I'm aware. But give it about a year and this variety, along with many other contemporary counterfeit U.S. copper coins, will be published in an upcoming book on this subject.
A population of 50 is a conservative estimate based on having owned 5-7 of these over the years, and casually seen a handful more. I looked in my box and forgot I own a double-struck example of this variety - pretty cool piece.
Size is approximately the same as an IHC planchet (if not slightly larger) 19.0 to 19.25mm
Weight is slightly high (but within general mint tolerance) - 3.1 to 3.2g
Great additional info @CaptHenway
Yes, thanks for that. I have to check a bunch of IHC for the funky 1's. Peace Roy
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I've got an IHC dated boldly as made in year "7". The 1, 9, and 0 are very,very faint. It's the centerpiece of my modest IHC collection and I consider myself fortunate to own it.
Bona fide mint error. i'm thinking the coin was struck from a die with grease filled date digits except for the "7".
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves” (Matthew 7:15, KJV)
The HT tokens of the 1830's made sense, the civil war tokens and store token made sense since commerce needs to keep on and currency was scarce. But the Panic of 1893 was still a couple of years away, and lower denomination currencies weren't as affected. So, why a counterfeit 1 cent?? Unless someone was testing out die press capabilities. .. just a hunch.
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