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Original bank roll of Philippine 50 centavos

CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 6, 2018 5:55PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I bought an original intact roll of twenty 1944s 50 centavos about a decade ago from the back room of an old time dealer. The were all blazing gems with vivid end roll toning on the ends.

For those who don’t know these were wartime issue struck in San Francisco by the us mint in 75% silver slightly smaller than their American counterparts.

Well I finally got around to having them graded and submitted them at the Baltimore show with my buddy originalDan just a few weeks ago economy and the grades came back today. All GEMs save for one scratched coin with a few 67+s. Super quick and good job PCGS

I’ll post pictures when you come in. Has anyone ever seen a 67+ sell

https://www.pcgs.com/shared-orders/order-details/21505263

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    Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice order! I like the Philippine coins, I have a few raw, nothing near as nice as your lot. Bummer on the scratch. Thanks for sharing your order and excitement.

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    Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good news, congratulations !!! :)

    Timbuk3
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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    what motivated you to finally get them all graded? Looks like those three 67+ coins take over top spot from a handful of 67s

    Congrats

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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sounds like you picked up a nice roll of coins. Nice job!

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    silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,870 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not a bad pick up

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,407 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

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    ChopmarkedTradesChopmarkedTrades Posts: 565 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wish I got to see those in hand at the show!

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is wondercoin still around? Any clue what a 67+ goes for :/

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    TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭✭

    Sweet!! Congrats on an excellent result on your submission. Looking forward to pics when they arrive.

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    RelaxnRelaxn Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FRom what I remember Wondercoin;s son (Maybe Justin) collect s/ed Phillipine coinage and can speak to value... That is the true definition of BU roll... WOWZA

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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,326 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Holy Cow!

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2018 8:35PM

    Your crystal ball back then must have been freshly polished. A super deal.


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    rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭

    Wow wow wow

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    rln_14rln_14 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭✭

    Congrats on ur nice coins, i have some of the philippine-us coins, of course not as nice

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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow... Not one, not two but 3 top pops in one submission. Congratulations - can't wait to see some images!

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    wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 17,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2018 10:17PM

    Crypto. CONGRATULATIONS! Great score!

    I am your buyer for the (3) 67+ coins, so it would not be “honorable” to tell you, in my opinion, what they are worth. Let me know when you are ready to sell though and there are many options to achieve the highest prices on the coins.

    I recently co-authored an article (with my son Justin) on the proof 50 Centavos Coin series. You can find it on PCGS’ homepage.

    Wondercoin

    Edited to add... I am still in Tokyo so we might be 17 hours apart!

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    ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭

    Did you order TrueViews? I would love to see the 67+ coins, and am also a buyer for them! Message me when you are in the market to sell.

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    VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Keep your eyes peeled. Highest grade currently on Coinfacts is MS67: pcgscoinfacts.com/

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    VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    P.S. I wish the U.S. Mint had more 27mm diameter silver issues. This is a lovely size coin for 50+ year old eyes. :)

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congrats :smile:

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To be honest they are so fresh that I suspect they are strike limited as there is some softness on the rev banner like 99% of these. They have brilliant complete mint bloom with dark toning on the reeds where they touched the paper for how ever many years.

    I expected a 68 or two and mostly 67s. I suspect the toned ones are the 65s

    I still can’t beleive an economy submission is already done. Clearly not something that comes through the grading room everyday

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    Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice sub!

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,321 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice acquisition! No values listed for these? No TrueViews?

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow... Congratulations.... Three top pops... I am sure you will find a ready market... and Wondercoin is already committed... Be sure to post a picture when you get them back. Cheers, RickO

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    MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had the privilege of sitting alongside Crypto as he submitted these coins at the Baltimore show. What a special group of coins with attractive roll toning. What I suspect are the end of roll toners are a bit dark, but not bad. Must have been a fun day in the grading room when these came through. The coins are shipping my way first, so I'll shoot some pictures when they arrive and share in this thread.

    Well done on these grades Crypto!

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    theres some really good grades in there. its all good

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    RelaxnRelaxn Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey Crypto... So generous of you to offer a Giveaway of one of those MS 65/66 Coins... WOW :wink:

    Just having fun

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My Grampa brought some on these back from there after he was wounded in WW2. I still have them, but not in this condition of course. What a find. Impossible to tell what the coins are worth since they are now the 3 best known.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there a picture of the roll available?

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, the paper fell off long ago

    I doubt it was an official bank or gov paper although maybe.

    I will say the consistency of the edge toning speaks to a wrapper fitted and consistent and fairly air tight for the centers for the decades they were there. Once that was gone see how most holders/tubes are American sizes. They were moved into a (A) 50c tube and had to be packed in with inert plastic fluf due to the smaller size. That said I would guess the places that made 50 centavos paper rolls/ wrappers could be counted on one hand.

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    rmpsrpmsrmpsrpms Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can't wait for some pics! I love USPI coins.

    Did you check to see if any were RPMs? I think there are some RPMs in 44-S 50C.

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    cecropiamothcecropiamoth Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto

    Very, very nice.

    I have a nice but humble MS65 in my World Coins Manufactured by Mints of the United States registry set.

    If you got TrueViews of these perhaps we can work out a deal for one of the 66 or 66+ coins as an upgrade if you eventually decide to move any of them. The 67 or 67+ coins are likely out of my league!!

    Jeff

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cecropiamoth said:
    @Crypto

    Very, very nice.

    I have a nice but humble MS65 in my World Coins Manufactured by Mints of the United States registry set.

    If you got TrueViews of these perhaps we can work out a deal for one of the 66 or 66+ coins as an upgrade if you eventually decide to move any of them. The 67 or 67+ coins are likely out of my league!!

    Jeff

    I think it is an underrated design and with the war connection i find them special. Can’t wait to get pics.

    The overmint Marks from 44s (s /d) are the dimes ... Ethm 10 centavos

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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice box of 20. *127 looks like the money coin. *140 looks like it needs a bath.

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    dogwooddogwood Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭

    Years ago I found a fairly flippable Danish modern dresser at a Goodwill store with one of the drawers still taped shut. When I bought it and opened it, there among junk was a box of wheat cents, 40% silver Kennedy’s and several of these 50 Centavos in AU.
    I just love this design.
    And maybe something about being 75%, as I’ve just learned in the OP, these pups had gorgeous toning.
    Blacks and golds.
    I like your haul.
    Congrats!

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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice.
    As the white guy in a family of Filipinos I married into (father in law retired from US Navy as did one of his brothers), I like these coins. I don't have a 50c piece yet.

    These are pretty cool

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    blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, amazing roll!

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OriginalDan said:
    Teaser pics of all the coins.


    Close-ups to follow later.

    WOW!

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    MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok here are the 66's. These photos are great for showing the differences in appearance between the coins in the roll. I wouldn't nitpick the quality of each coin/grade as these coins are so bright that sometimes flaws can look better or worse under so much light.

    Cert: 36694124
    Grade: MS66

    Cert: 36694133
    Grade: MS66

    Cert: 36694134
    Grade: MS66

    Cert: 36694141
    Grade: MS66

    Cert: 36694142
    Grade: MS66

    This has been fun, I'm thankful to Crypto for letting me handle these. Next up I'll show the 66+ coins (there are 3).

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    CatbertCatbert Posts: 8,292 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What a thread! I'm enjoying story and the pic reveal. Thanks!

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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wonderful find, good for you!

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    MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On to the 66+'s. Nice coins.

    Cert: 36694129
    Grade: MS66+

    Cert: 36694130
    Grade: MS66+

    Cert: 36694138
    Grade: MS66+

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,407 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow. Those just drip with frost.

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    MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Check out the difference in strike on these last 3 coins.

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    well, you certainly screwed up the pop reports!

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    bidaskbidask Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First great find to purchase an original roll.

    The coin in gem is common.

    I am thinking having this many more coins coming onto the market should drive the prices down in 65 and 66 ?

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 18, 2018 2:09PM

    It is a small market but if 20 coins suppress the market, I would recommend getting out of the hobby as it is not healthy

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