First gold coin ever purchased, $5 1904-s, GTG:) Answer posted at bottom of first page as promised.:

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bjamin
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edited November 4, 2018 5:23PM in U.S. Coin Forum



Edited to add: full of luster
Edited to add: Note the pics are from the excellent dealer David Kahn.

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  • AUandAG
    AUandAG Posts: 25,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58 or 62. So hard to tell from a pic.

    Nice pick up!

    bob :)

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  • privatecoin
    privatecoin Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ms62

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  • divecchia
    divecchia Posts: 6,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm in the MS62 camp. Gold is great no matter the grade.

    Congrats on your first gold piece purchase.

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  • Batman23
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    @AUandAG said:
    58 or 62. So hard to tell from a pic.

    Nice pick up!

    bob :)

    That was my exact thought on grade when I looked at the photo.
    I Just can't tel if it is the lighting or if the luster is rubbed in the field.

  • USMarine6
    USMarine6 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62 camp here. Great pics btw

  • Regulated
    Regulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That's a challenging date in BU.


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  • ajaan
    ajaan Posts: 18,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63


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  • ilikemonsters
    ilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭
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    61

  • zrlevin
    zrlevin Posts: 734 ✭✭✭
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    Hmmm...I'm going to go with 58. A nice coin regardless of the grade!

    Zach
  • tommy44
    tommy44 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In that holder I'd guess 58 - 62. That is the toughest post 1900 liberty $5, nice first gold coin. I like it a lot.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

  • Barndog
    Barndog Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    you should send it to PCGS. o:)

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  • jtlee321
    jtlee321 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very nice! If it is AU, I'd call it AU-58+. But I would consider it MS-62 based on these images. I just don't really see any rub on the high points in the provided images.

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  • CharlotteDude
    CharlotteDude Posts: 3,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I like it as an AU-58.

    Got Crust....y gold?
  • DennisH
    DennisH Posts: 14,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62

    When in doubt, don't.
  • santinidollar
    santinidollar Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    1. Congratulations on your first old gold!
  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62.5

  • AlexinPA
    AlexinPA Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    She is very nice. Great buy.

  • LindeDad
    LindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Details AU-Scratched

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  • bjamin
    bjamin Posts: 141 ✭✭✭
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    @LindeDad said:
    Details AU-Scratched

    Oh boy........but all opinions are welcomed.......but oh boy ;)

  • crazyhounddog
    crazyhounddog Posts: 14,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I can’t honestly see any rub from those images. So, I’m going to say 62 but depending on the luster, that I can’t judge, it could even go 63.
    A VERY nice first gold coin my coin brother

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  • SeattleSlammer
    SeattleSlammer Posts: 10,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62 probably but 63 wouldn’t surprise

  • Timbuk3
    Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My guess is that it would grade a 62, it's a nice example. Congratulations on your first gold. May you continue to collect more !!! :)

    Timbuk3
  • Swampboy
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    61 and I like it

    The luster sure does shows

    Nice score!!

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  • asheland
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    MS61

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  • Boosibri
    Boosibri Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58 and a tough date in high grade

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  • dirtygold
    dirtygold Posts: 31 ✭✭
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    MS62 or possibly 63 on a good day. Looks like it's in an older NGC slab.

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would say 62 since there appears to be no rub and some luster....the dings hold it down...Cheers, RickO

  • cheezhed
    cheezhed Posts: 6,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

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  • Walkerguy21D
    Walkerguy21D Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62 shot 63

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  • TwoSides2aCoin
    TwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I like to think it's MS63 but I am in the AU-58 camp, also. Either way , congrats on your first piece. Gold coins have a special place in numismatics. They became way more collectible after 1933. And they never lose their luster ( in a sense) .... 'cause they're gold. Nice one.

  • Swampboy
    Swampboy Posts: 13,257 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I forgot to mention.

    That is an excellent image.

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  • jonruns
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    AU55 to 58

  • steveben
    steveben Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ms62. congrats

  • bjamin
    bjamin Posts: 141 ✭✭✭
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    Interesting, only one member here has gotten it partially right, meaning the current grade is within his range, looking for someone to guess it exactly without giving a range. Will post the pic of the holder end of day,
    thank you for your guesses.

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    55

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU58. Very nice looking coin no matter the assigned grade. :)

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  • skier07
    skier07 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That’s a pretty coin. MS 60 is my guess.

  • CommemKing
    CommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS62

  • kaz
    kaz Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    what the heck, I'll guess MS63.

  • VanHalen
    VanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'd grade it 58 on loss of luster and abrasions in the fields.

    It's probably in a 62 holder though.

  • georgiacop50
    georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭
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    63

  • bjamin
    bjamin Posts: 141 ✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2018 5:25PM
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    @Smudge said:
    55

    Smudge won albeit he used my hint and figured it out thru process of elimination, smarty pants;)
    Thanks for playing and all the well thought out opinions.


  • tommy44
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    If you ever decide to sell it I'd send it to CAC, (do they give opinions on ANA slabs?), or PCGS first. I think it is undergraded by today's standards. I really like it.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

  • Smudge
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    55 is a tough grade on that coin. Like the holder.

  • jonruns
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    @tommy44 said:
    If you ever decide to sell it I'd send it to CAC, (do they give opinions on ANA slabs?), or PCGS first. I think it is undergraded by today's standards. I really like it.

    CAC only reviews PCGS and NGC coins.

    The crossover/re-grading game gets expensive especially for a coin that only retails for $600 or so...

  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nicer than a 55.
    Would be in a "MS" holder if submitted today.

  • jonruns
    jonruns Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @mannie gray said:
    Nicer than a 55.
    Would be in a "MS" holder if submitted today.

    I think this is far from a lock...I'd guess that the original grader saw a little rub hence the 55...maybe if you cross you can get a 58...but there is really no price difference between a 55 and a 58...and you'll spend a significant sum relative to the value of the coin on grading fees, shipping etc....

    Price Guide for a 1904-S AU55 is $570 and $610 in AU58...and goes up to $1100 in MS61, $1650 in MS62 and $2850 in MS63...

    If someone down the sales chain (the seller, the retail dealer etc.) thought this had a chance to get into an MS holder it probably would have already been tried....my experience is that dealers like to leave a little skin on the bone...but they are not going to leave that much meat...

    Nice coin!!!

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  • skier07
    skier07 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 5, 2018 7:27PM
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    @mannie gray said:
    Nicer than a 55.
    Would be in a "MS" holder if submitted today.

    The likelihood of the coin crossing from a 55 to 60+ is pretty slim in a single submission and questionable with multiple. Perhaps it might cross to a 58 and then once in a 58 holder it might further upgrade if submitted as a regrade. Lots of money to spend with grading fees and shipping with marginal upside potential. I’d leave it alone, the old ANACS holder adds value and everyone thinks it’s undergraded.

  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @skier07 said:

    @mannie gray said:
    Nicer than a 55.
    Would be in a "MS" holder if submitted today.

    The likelihood of the coin crossing from a 55 to 60+ is pretty slim in a single submission and questionable with multiple. Perhaps it might cross to a 58 and then once in a 58 holder it might further upgrade if submitted as a regrade. Lots of money to spend with grading fees and shipping with marginal upside potential. I’d leave it alone, the old ANACS holder adds value and everyone thinks it’s undergraded.

    I agree with your comments for the most part but I have seen far weaker coins in 61/2/even 3 holders.
    Not necessarily this date though.
    I still think it's harshly graded at 55.

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