Rare $5 Bust coin

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logger7
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If you were to guess the grade on this rarity, what would you assign?


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  • Bigbuck1975
    Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 5, 2018 7:33AM
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    I would guess unc details if genuine.

  • fivecents
    fivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks at least MS61. Just a guess.

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The sharpness grade is somewhere around AU-58, MS-62 by slab standards. The question is, have the surfaces been worked upon, which often happens with these early gold coins. It’s hard for me to tell from these photos.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Smudge said:
    Why is it still raw?

    You would be surprised when it comes to what might pop out of an old estate. You would also be surprised at how much money is walking around coins shows, even the small ones.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • VanHalen
    VanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    "Collateral" written on the flip?

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU Cleaned

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  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks au to me.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • grip
    grip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks 61ish maybe 62.

  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So what is the rest of the story?

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  • jwitten
    jwitten Posts: 5,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ms63?

  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'll guess 58.

    John
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  • jdimmick
    jdimmick Posts: 9,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    One of these walked into a pawn shop in the Raleigh area last year. A vest pocket dealer friend of mine was in the shop when it came in. pawn shop paid her 300 bucks for it, dealer friend tried to buy it , and pawn owner refused to even entertain an offer. he knew he had a good one, it was au details, probably an old cleaning, but still such a scarce coin.

  • asheland
    asheland Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS61

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  • tommy44
    tommy44 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU58 or MS62 ish? Might have been cleaned.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like this one that was supposed to end tonight was pulled along with the other listings: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12082581#Comment_12082581

  • Paradisefound
    Paradisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Shuck ..... missed the whole thing while ZZZZZ :(

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU and likely cleaned....Pictures are not good for evaluation... Cheers, RickO

  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    collateral. id say unc cleaned as well. jmo

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 6, 2018 11:01AM
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    As long as there aren't rim filings or other permanent damage, I'm thinking it could straight grade; sunny windowsill near my sister's canaries, 6 months to a year, and it would probably be less bright and "cleaned" and could grade. But the "seller" went 'poof' with all their other listings. I emailed seller no response.

  • Baley
    Baley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It's strange, the "seller" sure went to a lot of trouble taking the pictures and creating the listings, only to disappear. Maybe a relatively cheap way to get a big appraisal done?

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  • mynamespat
    mynamespat Posts: 75 ✭✭✭
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    @Baley said:
    It's strange, the "seller" sure went to a lot of trouble taking the pictures and creating the listings, only to disappear. Maybe a relatively cheap way to get a big appraisal done?

    Too many people snipe bid at the last second; this would be a very inaccurate technique.

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If the seller's feedback goes up a lot in the next week with happy customers then maybe he was legit anyway, hard to know, but ebay does not usually kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. But they don't want the sort of wild west fraud they used to have more of.

  • earlycoins
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    One more vote for AU cleaned

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You have act with caution when the photos are taken at an angle. Shots like this are okay to show luster that might be missing from the straight on shot, BUT they should not be the only photos you use to evaluate the piece.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?

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