The sharpness grade is somewhere around AU-58, MS-62 by slab standards. The question is, have the surfaces been worked upon, which often happens with these early gold coins. It’s hard for me to tell from these photos.
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You would be surprised when it comes to what might pop out of an old estate. You would also be surprised at how much money is walking around coins shows, even the small ones.
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One of these walked into a pawn shop in the Raleigh area last year. A vest pocket dealer friend of mine was in the shop when it came in. pawn shop paid her 300 bucks for it, dealer friend tried to buy it , and pawn owner refused to even entertain an offer. he knew he had a good one, it was au details, probably an old cleaning, but still such a scarce coin.
As long as there aren't rim filings or other permanent damage, I'm thinking it could straight grade; sunny windowsill near my sister's canaries, 6 months to a year, and it would probably be less bright and "cleaned" and could grade. But the "seller" went 'poof' with all their other listings. I emailed seller no response.
It's strange, the "seller" sure went to a lot of trouble taking the pictures and creating the listings, only to disappear. Maybe a relatively cheap way to get a big appraisal done?
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It's strange, the "seller" sure went to a lot of trouble taking the pictures and creating the listings, only to disappear. Maybe a relatively cheap way to get a big appraisal done?
Too many people snipe bid at the last second; this would be a very inaccurate technique.
If the seller's feedback goes up a lot in the next week with happy customers then maybe he was legit anyway, hard to know, but ebay does not usually kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. But they don't want the sort of wild west fraud they used to have more of.
You have act with caution when the photos are taken at an angle. Shots like this are okay to show luster that might be missing from the straight on shot, BUT they should not be the only photos you use to evaluate the piece.
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I would guess unc details if genuine.
Looks at least MS61. Just a guess.
The sharpness grade is somewhere around AU-58, MS-62 by slab standards. The question is, have the surfaces been worked upon, which often happens with these early gold coins. It’s hard for me to tell from these photos.
Why is it still raw?
You would be surprised when it comes to what might pop out of an old estate. You would also be surprised at how much money is walking around coins shows, even the small ones.
"Collateral" written on the flip?
AU Cleaned
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Looks au to me.
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Looks 61ish maybe 62.
So what is the rest of the story?
ms63?
I'll guess 58.
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One of these walked into a pawn shop in the Raleigh area last year. A vest pocket dealer friend of mine was in the shop when it came in. pawn shop paid her 300 bucks for it, dealer friend tried to buy it , and pawn owner refused to even entertain an offer. he knew he had a good one, it was au details, probably an old cleaning, but still such a scarce coin.
MS61
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AU58 or MS62 ish? Might have been cleaned.
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
Looks like this one that was supposed to end tonight was pulled along with the other listings: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12082581#Comment_12082581
Shuck ..... missed the whole thing while ZZZZZ
AU and likely cleaned....Pictures are not good for evaluation... Cheers, RickO
collateral. id say unc cleaned as well. jmo
As long as there aren't rim filings or other permanent damage, I'm thinking it could straight grade; sunny windowsill near my sister's canaries, 6 months to a year, and it would probably be less bright and "cleaned" and could grade. But the "seller" went 'poof' with all their other listings. I emailed seller no response.
It's strange, the "seller" sure went to a lot of trouble taking the pictures and creating the listings, only to disappear. Maybe a relatively cheap way to get a big appraisal done?
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Too many people snipe bid at the last second; this would be a very inaccurate technique.
If the seller's feedback goes up a lot in the next week with happy customers then maybe he was legit anyway, hard to know, but ebay does not usually kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. But they don't want the sort of wild west fraud they used to have more of.
One more vote for AU cleaned
You have act with caution when the photos are taken at an angle. Shots like this are okay to show luster that might be missing from the straight on shot, BUT they should not be the only photos you use to evaluate the piece.