Better date gold crossover from ICG to PCGS

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logger7
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I was the underbidder on this formerly ICG MS65 1893-s $5 Liberty that sold for $860: https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/302798741898?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137

The buyer cracked it and ran it through PCGS, what do you think it graded? Here is the PCGS image:

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  • asheland
    asheland Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PCGS 64

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  • Colonialcoin
    Colonialcoin Posts: 924 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I’ll go 63 perhaps even a 64. Nice coin!!

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Small photo to judge from. Wild guess based on population figures 63.

  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PCGS MS-63

  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 10:00AM
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    Bigger images would help. But from what I can see it looks like a 64 to me.
    Lance.

    edit to ask: Isn't $860 a steal? Someone did very well.

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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 11:09AM
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    @lkeigwin said:
    Bigger images would help. But from what I can see it looks like a 64 to me.
    Lance.

    edit to ask: Isn't $860 a steal? Someone did very well.

    As the buyer was celebrating his success in snagging the coin, other collectors on FB were jumping on him saying that it was ICG after all....So he ran it through express and I guess the old motto bears out that he who laughs last laughs best.

    And this was not a Centsles auction.

  • TommyType
    TommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 10:19AM
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    Isn't "melt" over $1100, or so? Don't need to grade it to figure out he did well....

    Added: Ooops....I thought it was a $20. Never-mind.... :tongue:

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  • Paradisefound
    Paradisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Base on the consensus I've read around here ... PCGS MS64 ;)

  • REALGATOR
    REALGATOR Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    1. Thanks for playing the crackout game!
  • CoinCrazyPA
    CoinCrazyPA Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭✭
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    63+

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  • divecchia
    divecchia Posts: 6,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I was thinking MS63 from the eBay photos, but that would be a break even so I thinking it went MS64.

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  • PhilLynott
    PhilLynott Posts: 900 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64

  • lkenefic
    lkenefic Posts: 9,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm seeing something on the cheek?? IDK...

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  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64 yup!

  • Aotearoa
    Aotearoa Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Just by the way the question is being posed, I'm guessing 65.

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  • oih82w8
    oih82w8 Posts: 13,212 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64

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  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Aotearoa said: "Just by the way the question is being posed, I'm guessing 65."

    I disagree, The way I read the OP's post is ICG sucks and the coin was downgraded. IMO, too many hits on the cheek.

  • robkool
    robkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64...

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  • robkool
    robkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Then again... Be lucky it got a straight grade. It could of came back (unc details) cleaned...

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  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 11:52AM
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    Do we know for sure the winning bidder cracked it and submitted raw? I would have done a cross at "any" grade to prevent a bodybag.

    Maybe he mentioned a crack-out in the FB post?
    Lance.

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like a 64.... Could be a 65 in hand.....Cheers, RickO

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 3:45PM
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    XXXX

  • mvs7
    mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice color on this piece. Probably crossed at either 63 or 64. It has a bit too much chatter for my taste on the cheek and neck to be a true 64, but I can see it going that way, as it doesn't have quite as much chatter as I would expect on a normal 63.

  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66 >:)

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  • REALGATOR
    REALGATOR Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ChrisH821 said:
    66 >:)

    No chance.

    Its a 58 or 64.

  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @REALGATOR said:

    @ChrisH821 said:
    66 >:)

    No chance.

    Its a 58 or 64.

    I know, it was a joke. That would be quite the score for the buyer.

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  • Boosibri
    Boosibri Posts: 12,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

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  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64

  • GRANDAM
    GRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 2:30PM
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    Well, what is the PCGS grade?

    GrandAm :)
  • USMarine6
    USMarine6 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Aotearoa said:
    Just by the way the question is being posed, I'm guessing 65.

    That's what I was thinking

  • jonruns
    jonruns Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'd guess 64

  • ManifestDestiny
    ManifestDestiny Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 2:49PM
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    MS64. It's a beautiful coin and at that price the buyer is getting the last laugh. Cool stuff like that never happens to me!

    Disclaimer: I cheated and looked at the TrueView images in the App. I just discovered you could do that the other day and there are so many beautiful coins to look at.

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 2:51PM
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    The buyer didn't say what the grade result is, just gave the small image which I think is the same as this one: http://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/35895611_141567122_2200.jpg

  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 2:51PM
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    @ricko said:
    Looks like a 64....could be a 65 in hand...Cheers, RickO

    you have NO right to post your response twice.
    Someone with 59,000 comments should know better than that.

  • ManifestDestiny
    ManifestDestiny Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
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    That's the one I was looking at too.

    @logger7 said:
    The buyer didn't say what the grade result is, just gave the small image which I think is the same as this one: http://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/35895611_141567122_2200.jpg

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Is there a chronological sequence as the True view images get added?

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @marcmoish ....My deepest and sincere apologies.... did not even know about it until you brought it to my attention. Cheers, RickO

  • davewesen
    davewesen Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64+ ?

  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ricko said:
    @marcmoish ....My deepest and sincere apologies.... did not even know about it until you brought it to my attention. Cheers, RickO

    Hey @ricko, I hope you know that was in jest. I already got a disagree from a lurker, yikes tuff crowd tonite.

  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @marcmoish said:

    @ricko said:
    @marcmoish ....My deepest and sincere apologies.... did not even know about it until you brought it to my attention. Cheers, RickO

    Hey @ricko, I hope you know that was in jest. I already got a disagree from a lurker, yikes tuff crowd tonite.

    I thought you were serious... Sorry.

  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @logger7 said:
    The buyer didn't say what the grade result is, just gave the small image which I think is the same as this one: http://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/35895611_141567122_2200.jpg

    Why would he give such a small image? That is super sketchy. It is almost as if he is embarrassed because it (presumably) did not cross at grade, but it looks like a score to me regardless even if it downgrades.

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    He spent $860 on the coin, plus express grading at PCGS, plus shipping. So not sure he is that far ahead based on recent auction figures.

  • Broadstruck
    Broadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm not sure why anyone is so surprised ICG is a legitimate grading service.

    Hit or miss just like all TPGS's

    I've gotten as much as solid 2 point upgrades out of their slabs.

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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    There are a lot of them that have sold for around $1000 so even Greysheet's price of $1300 seems optimistic. I saw some guys making more at Keno in a few minutes today with minimal bets, so if the objective is to make some money there are much better ways.

  • blitzdude
    blitzdude Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62, perhaps a 63 on a generous TPG day.

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  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @logger7 said:
    The buyer didn't say what the grade result is, just gave the small image which I think is the same as this one: http://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/35895611_141567122_2200.jpg

    That image seems to match up with the ICG coin in the ebay listing.
    So the person did ok. They won't make a ton, but should still see some profit.

  • mvs7
    mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    OK, so that CoinFacts link above corresponds to this coin (you can see the certification number in the link - 35895611):

  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @logger7 said:
    He spent $860 on the coin, plus express grading at PCGS, plus shipping. So not sure he is that far ahead based on recent auction figures.

    MS64s fetch around $1500-$1600 a piece. I would love to make $500-$600 off of every coin I purchased for under $1000.

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