New purchase 1854-C $5 Half Eagle -- Grade opinion welcome!

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zski123
zski123 Posts: 263 ✭✭✭
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Just picked this one up in auction. I'll be submitting it soon but I'd love to hear your thoughts on where you believe it will grade out.

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  • Paradisefound
    Paradisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU 55? I've been trying to get one of those myself. Congrats :)

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice. I love southern gold. When it gets back let's play gtg. I guess now 40-45.

  • jwitten
    jwitten Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU details, scratched

  • zski123
    zski123 Posts: 263 ✭✭✭
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    I'm hoping it's a 55 or 58. I think the coin comps well against the examples seen in Heritage. We'll see though. Today is a different environment.

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/liberty-half-eagles/half-eagles/1854-c-5-au58-ngc-variety-1/a/1204-6399.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

  • tommy44
    tommy44 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU 55-58, I like it a lot.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 1, 2018 5:47AM
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    I would have to see this one in person to really grade it. The obverse looks weak, which would make me say EF, but I also realize that the strike is probably something less than ideal. It also appears to have some pretty heavy abrading, perhaps from some sort of a brush. There also appears to be some mint luster, but I see cleaning too. If the coin gets a grade, which may not get because of surface disturbances, I’d say it would be in the EF-40 to 45 range.

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  • Boosibri
    Boosibri Posts: 12,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    EF45/AU50 strong C which makes it much more scarce than people realize.

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  • Boosibri
    Boosibri Posts: 12,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2018 11:17AM
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    Here is a textbook EF45 with a slightly weak strike at center in the same way as the OP's coin.

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  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2018 2:23PM
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    This is just a guess as a member wrote today (in another thread) that I don't know Charlotte Mint gold. I'm working at it. :(

    Too much luster for today's XF. The "arrow shaped" scratch is the worse thing, I'd get rid of most of the dirt in the shield, wings and reeding (NOT CHEMICALLY) and leave it on the bust before having it graded. My Guess is AU-50 so it will come back as a 55!

  • Crypto
    Crypto Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Au53 and nice

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  • Timbuk3
    Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like a 45-50 !!! :)

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  • asheland
    asheland Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU50

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  • No Headlights
    No Headlights Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lucky day 45
    Not so lucky details

  • oldlinecoins
    oldlinecoins Posts: 183 ✭✭✭
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    45 or details if that's a scratch in front of the face

    nice patina

  • coinkat
    coinkat Posts: 24,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The image is not helping the cause. However even with the image, It looks better than AU50. 53 seems reasonable and so does 55. Given how difficult early no motto gold is to get in the most appropriate holder, it will likely end up in a 50 holder. Then someone will look at it and think it can grade higher - perhaps a 55- if it is enhanced. So it is enhanced grades 55 and looks stripped of its natural look when in fact is was worthy of the 55 from day one.

    Sad but that is the environment we collect in and there is little chance of change.

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  • blitzdude
    blitzdude Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    45-50, hope you don't get a details. Hard to tell from pics but possible improperly cleaned. Good luck and congrats.

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  • VanHalen
    VanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It looks well struck to me with a nice reverse die crack at 10:00. It might net down a tad to AU50 for the little scratch. I'd like to see it with less light on it.

  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    50-53

  • batumi
    batumi Posts: 936 ✭✭✭✭
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    AU 50.I like it.

  • thebeav
    thebeav Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    There looks to be an awful lot of luster. I'm going with a 55......

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  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 3:53AM
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    It is a very attractive better date lustrous piece. I wager it would grade Ch AU or above.

    Many buyers picking up better date Gold in this market. Others bulking up on slabbed USGTC close to melt. At a recent show I purchased NGC 65 Peace Dollars at $75 each and NGC MS65 Morgan Dollars at $105 to add to retail stock (I mark these up 50 pct) from a major dealer along with gold bullion material and USGTC below bid or close to melt.

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  • zski123
    zski123 Posts: 263 ✭✭✭
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    @Cougar1978 said:
    It is a very attractive better date lustrous piece. I wager it would grade Ch AU or above.

    Many buyers picking up better date Gold in this market. Others bulking up on slabbed USGTC close to melt. At a recent show I purchased NGC 65 Peace Dollars at $75 each and NGC MS65 Morgan Dollars at $105 to add to retail stock (I mark these up 50 pct) from a major dealer along with gold bullion material and USGTC below bid or close to melt.

    It is a great time to pick up some real bargains. It often surprises me how inefficient the coin market can be.

  • Jimnight
    Jimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    45

  • jonruns
    jonruns Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU Details

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would guess 53.. if it straight grades.... being Charlotte gold, it may well get a grade. Cheers, RickO

  • skier07
    skier07 Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jonruns said:
    AU Details

    +1

  • Batman23
    Batman23 Posts: 5,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm thinking mid AU. 53-55. Unfortunately I think I am seeing marks that might be cleaning hairlines.

  • REALGATOR
    REALGATOR Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks 50ish to me. Hope the surfaces haven't been messed with.

  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    55, like!

  • zski123
    zski123 Posts: 263 ✭✭✭
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    Verdict is in on the 1854-C Half Eagle... AU55

    It honestly looked better in the photos from the auctioneer. When I received the coin, I knew it was 55 and not a 58 for sure.

  • VanHalen
    VanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @zski123 said:
    Verdict is in on the 1854-C Half Eagle... AU55

    It honestly looked better in the photos from the auctioneer. When I received the coin, I knew it was 55 and not a 58 for sure.

    She came back AU55 in a PCGS holder? Woo Hoo! Congrats are in order.

  • kaz
    kaz Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Congrats, I figured AU-something, 55 is nice!

  • Batman23
    Batman23 Posts: 5,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU55, good job!

  • zski123
    zski123 Posts: 263 ✭✭✭
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    Thanks. Took a chance on this one. I thought it might come back details. I knew it wasn't an XF. The grade is always going to be relative to mint and year. If this were a 1883 half eagle, I would agree with the XF guesstimates.

  • ShipwreckCoinHunter
    ShipwreckCoinHunter Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I am not a pro but it looks to maybe AU 53

  • skier07
    skier07 Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I’m assuming PCGS graded this coin?

    Good job, but do yourself and your wallet a favor, don’t buy raw coins unless you’re an expert or you like to gamble.

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Boosibri in my opinion your coin is what an old gold coin should look like. Nice one.

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  • divecchia
    divecchia Posts: 6,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Congrats on scoring an a AU55.

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  • Boosibri
    Boosibri Posts: 12,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Smudge said:
    @Boosibri in my opinion your coin is what an old gold coin should look like. Nice one.

    Thanks! I appreciate anyone who appreciates what old gold should look like

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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 4, 2018 7:16AM
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    Cleaned, etc.; worst problem gets described on details holder.

    Oops, missed the update, congratulations, market acceptable in hand, must have nice luster and these branch mint coins were usually poorly struck and get graded on a curve.

  • Paradisefound
    Paradisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Congrats! :)

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