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Does the mintmark on this 85-CC Morgan look "off" to anyone else?

HallcoHallco Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 20, 2018 6:17PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Not my coin, not my auction. This has 35 bids and there are still several days left before it ends. I'm not an expert on mm alterations, but something does not look right about this one. Please explain what I am missing if it is legit. :)

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  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Vamworld image for comparison:

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,817 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a cast counterfeit.

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  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 20, 2018 6:38PM

    @Hallco said:
    Not my coin, not my auction. This has 35 bids and there are still several days left before it ends. I'm not an expert on mm alterations, but something does not look right about this one. Please explain what I am missing if it is legit. :)

    Fake, the left c is too far from the right c & both c’s’ shape are wrong.


  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake, the left c is too far from the right c & both c’s’ shape are wrong.

    Those were exactly my thoughts. Someone is going to get taken on this. I have a feeling that it is going to go for much more than the current amount.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,604 ✭✭✭✭✭

    off? 110%

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  • KindaNewishKindaNewish Posts: 827 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even the words "United States of America" are so uneven, I had to check if the spelling was correct.

    Fake-o

  • CRH4LIFECRH4LIFE Posts: 849 ✭✭✭✭

    I was at a antique shop amd seen a 88 CC? I assume someone added it after lol

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like a counterfeit

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,842 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 20, 2018 7:28PM

    The "CC" looks other mint marks I have seen on other counterfeits. These guys make a reverse die and combine with it other obverses, some of which are date and mint mark combinations that don't exist. I have a 1903-CC!

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mintmark, the whole coin looks off.

  • BustyPotatoBustyPotato Posts: 81 ✭✭✭

    The "F" in the word OF looks huge. Maybe I am just losing my mind though!

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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake and not even a good one.

  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks as fake as they come.

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Meld of wierdness! Wrong reverse arrow feathers for an 1885 (never used that year, only 1878 and 1880). As mentioned the CC is the wrong font.
    Commonly seen fake from China.

    bob :)

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :s !!!

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  • COINS MAKE CENTSCOINS MAKE CENTS Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's definitely a bad one for sure. No just the mintmark but the whole coin!!!

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Alibaba special

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  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How are so many people falling for this garbage? We are not talking about one or two uneducated newb collectors thinking they are getting a good deal.....35 bids! Unreal. Hate it for whoever gets stuck win the high bid.

  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not even close.

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  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just for fun, I scrolled down slowly. I was at counterfeit at the first 1/8th of an inch. Yuck.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a 1902 CC counterfeit that looks far more authentic than this fake. Cheers, RickO

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,767 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That mint mark: :D

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Looks like a cast counterfeit.

    You guys need to forget about CAST counterfeits. This piece is die struck. I have not seen a "modern" cast counterfeit in ages.

    BTW This exact same thing was going on in the early 1970's when the top authenticators at the time were calling the first crudely made, die struck counterfeits "casts." It was humorous.

    Somewhere on the Internet there are stories/photos from folks who have visited a typical counterfeit factory where this junk is made.

  • Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FAF

  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake all day, not a leg to stand on, from an arms length away with shades on.
    Check this out a counterfeit 81S, first for me.
    https://www.ebay.com/sch/abrafeh_11/m.html?item=202342695784&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

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  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @morgansforever said:
    Fake all day, not a leg to stand on, from an arms length away with shades on.
    Check this out a counterfeit 81S, first for me.
    https://www.ebay.com/sch/abrafeh_11/m.html?item=202342695784&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

    Same seller...100% feedback since Jan 2018! That's not too suspicious is it? :neutral:

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I reported these two coins multiple times in the days before it ended. No response.

    bob :(

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,158 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry it's not real. The mintmark is dreadful. Yechhhhhh

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,817 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Looks like a cast counterfeit.

    You guys need to forget about CAST counterfeits. This piece is die struck. I have not seen a "modern" cast counterfeit in ages.

    BTW This exact same thing was going on in the early 1970's when the top authenticators at the time were calling the first crudely made, die struck counterfeits "casts." It was humorous.

    Somewhere on the Internet there are stories/photos from folks who have visited a typical counterfeit factory where this junk is made.

    I disagree. Although I can't be sure from the photo. You are assuming it is "modern". But the reason I say CAST counterfeit is because there appear to be metal flow lines on the surface.

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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    agree with all of the above, a very bad fake.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've watched the video that showed them being made in China and yes they are struck. However the dies were made from casting off a real coin. Thus cast counterfeits. Usual tell for me is small blobs of extra metal on the surface. These are bubbles from the molten metal that was poured to make the die. So....

    bob :)

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • BeerockBeerock Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    1878 reverse. Looks beyond fake to me.

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lame.

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