Let's Talk Vermontensium

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• BruceS Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭✭✭

  May 20, 2018 8:59PM

  I don't see too much pmd to body bag this, I'm little bias though my parent reside in VT and that's a rare specimen.

  I would say planchet flaw. What are they calling the the 93 ? Any explanation?Is

  
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• ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

  May 21, 2018 5:50AM

  That is certainly a rare piece.... It appears to have planchet flaws... however, it could be PMD ....perhaps you could send it in for reconsideration? Might be worth a try.... Cheers, RickO

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• BillJones Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

  May 21, 2018 6:12AM edited May 21, 2018 8:12AM

  I don't think that this piece will ever get a straight grade unless the TPGs lower the standards. There are too many issues with this piece, both from the time it was minted and later on when it picked up some corrosion or more gently termed "rough surfaces." The trouble is straight graded slabs have to have a more "generic quality" with no "ifs, ands or buts." That is hard to do with many pre-constitutional coins, like the Vermont.

  Here is my Vermont Landscape piece which did get a straight EF-40 grade from NGC when I had it graded a little less than 20 years ago.

  
  

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• CoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭✭

  May 21, 2018 6:36AM

  I think it is too flawed in the prime focal area to straight grade - I think it will be called Gen - Planchet Flaw today.

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• topstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

  May 21, 2018 8:06AM

  Damn, Bill.....for a guy so vilified by some, I think I'd rather spend some time with YOUR collection than with any TWO "condition census" buckets.
  It's so darn comprehensive and actually educational.
  I, for one, think you did a yeoman job of collecting history in metal.
  

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• BillJones Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

  May 21, 2018 8:11AM

  @topstuf said:
  Damn, Bill.....for a guy so vilified by some, I think I'd rather spend some time with YOUR collection than with any TWO "condition census" buckets.
  It's so darn comprehensive and actually educational.
  I, for one, think you did a yeoman job of collecting history in metal.
  

  Thank you ever some much @topstuf!!

  I really like help collectors get more out this hobby than just filling holes in albums or worrying taking first place in the registries. To me the best coins, tokens and medals are the pieces that have a great story connected with them.

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• Colonialcoin Posts: 746 ✭✭✭✭

  May 21, 2018 4:46PM

  Your Vermontensium is very evenly struck for the issue! I agree with the others that it probably won’t straight grade though it is hard to tell if the issues by the plow are pre or post strike issues. Vermont’s are very tough to grade. Eye appeal for a given type/variety is extremely important for most any state colonial. Doesn’t matter if it is in a slab or not. I have seen both raw and slabbed colonials graded all over the map. You have to personally view a lot of Vermont’s or any other colonial to really get into some sort of comfort level. Your Vermont is a Ryder-8. It is in the rarity-4 range. It is easier to find a 1909-S VDB than it is your coin. Of course, the demand is far greater for the S VDB.

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• SilverDollar2017 Posts: 27 ✭

  May 21, 2018 8:53PM

  Most likely won't straight grade, unfortunately.

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• steviegetz Posts: 51 ✭✭✭

  March 9, 2019 3:55PM

  I just picked up a vermontism , its got nice planchet flaw too, its original crusty , has some mint red in some of the devices too. Not sure what it would grade .
  
  
  
  

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• CaptHenway Posts: 32,791 ✭✭✭✭✭

  March 9, 2019 4:54PM

  @Steviegetz...that is a lovely Vermontensium, despite the planchet clip and crack!! You need not care what anybody grades it!
  TD

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• steviegetz Posts: 51 ✭✭✭

  March 9, 2019 5:07PM

  Thanks! @CaptHenway

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• Colonialcoin Posts: 746 ✭✭✭✭

  March 9, 2019 5:17PM

  Great Vermont! As made with smooth surfaces and nice color. The clip and crack add to its character.

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• jedm Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

  March 9, 2019 8:21PM

  All three of the Vermontensiums posted have individual characters. From the rough planchet of @23Pairer to the nice smooth surfaces of Bill's and the crack on this one of @steviegetz 's.... very interesting!

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• Barberian Posts: 4,131 ✭✭✭✭✭

  March 10, 2019 6:32AM

  I'm Vermontensium (Montpelierensis) and I'm cracked.

  3 rim nicks away from Good

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• kaz Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

  March 10, 2019 11:35AM

  
  
  I love Steviegetz' piece it has so much detail! Even the eyebrow of the "All Seeing Eye" is sharp.
  MIne is pretty typical with a planchet void that permits the passage of light when you hold it up. Still, I like the "Circ-Cam (Corrodi-Cam?) look, probably from someone carefully removing crust from the devices.

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