It's all good - I did all I could while I was there to be part of the solution. Just kept getting harder to lace them up and lately it just seems like the kids are not really put first anymore. That may sound crazy but there is so much nonsense and rhetoric in schools these days. People seem to have forgotten the virtues and principles that this nation was founded on, is supposed to embody and represent and that the rest of the world is watching - closely.
Babies are going out with bathwater all over the place.
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The head coach was asked under oath in 2011: "Other than the incident that Mike McQueary reported to you, do you know in any way, through rumor, direct knowledge or any other fashion, of any other inappropriate sexual conduct by Jerry Sandusky with young boys?"
Responded Paterno: "I do not know of anything else that Jerry would be involved in of that nature, no. I do not know of it. You did mention -- I think you said something about a rumor. It may have been discussed in my presence, something else about somebody."
Paterno the following year cleared up any inference to rumors. In his interview with The Washington Post's Sally Jenkins, the head coach said he had "no inkling" of allegations against Sandusky before 2001.
@1951WheatiesPremium said:
It's all good - I did all I could while I was there to be part of the solution. Just kept getting harder to lace them up and lately it just seems like the kids are not really put first anymore. That may sound crazy but there is so much nonsense and rhetoric in schools these days. People seem to have forgotten the virtues and principles that this nation was founded on, is supposed to embody and represent and that the rest of the world is watching - closely.
Babies are going out with bathwater all over the place.
The head coach was asked under oath in 2011: "Other than the incident that Mike McQueary reported to you, do you know in any way, through rumor, direct knowledge or any other fashion, of any other inappropriate sexual conduct by Jerry Sandusky with young boys?"
Responded Paterno: "I do not know of anything else that Jerry would be involved in of that nature, no. I do not know of it. You did mention -- I think you said something about a rumor. It may have been discussed in my presence, something else about somebody."
Paterno the following year cleared up any inference to rumors. In his interview with The Washington Post's Sally Jenkins, the head coach said he had "no inkling" of allegations against Sandusky before 2001.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...how was the play?
What about character assassination of Joe Paterno? It works both ways.
Legacy of Paterno is that when I see Penn State doing well at football I sort of puke. Sorry to the fine athletes on the field as they of course have no nexus to the accommodative creep.
Well...the jury convicted Sandusky, so for now, I have to go with that. I'm a strong believer in our Constitution. Sandusky can appeal, and take it from there which i presume his lawyers have done that already.
Of course juries can get it wrong. The obvious case is everybody knows that OJ was guilty, but for various reasons the jury decided otherwise. I mean why would OJ attempt to escape if he knew he was innocent...and that's just the first thing.
Based on the facts and evidence, I believe that Sandusky is guilty and received the punishment he deserved.
It's sad that those out there blasting Joe Paterno, don't seem to accord him the same courtesy of facts and evidence in the court of public opinion.
Guys this topic is the exact reason SteveK disappeared from the forum for several years. You will not talk him out of his love for Penn State or Paterno. In SteveK’s words - Case Closed.
@perkdog said:
Guys this topic is the exact reason SteveK disappeared from the forum for several years. You will not talk him out of his love for Penn State or Paterno. In SteveK’s words - Case Closed.
I forgot how much i liked this place.
I think i'll stay for awhile. If for nothing else, just to irritate some Cowboys and Mets fans.
@perkdog said:
Steve make no mistake about it, Im glad your back. This place was a ghost town for awhile so hopefully it continues to be more active again.
Thanks Paul - it feels good to be back.
Nothing better than to talk coins, cards and sports with fellow coin & card collectors.
Well on second thought, maybe one thing is better...i'm getting older, i almost forgot about that. LOL
@perkdog said:
Guys this topic is the exact reason SteveK disappeared from the forum for several years. You will not talk him out of his love for Penn State or Paterno. In SteveK’s words - Case Closed.
The case isn't closed for all the kids that the Penn State family ruined. I don't know Stevek but I am sure he's tough enough to take some pointed comments about his college.
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@perkdog said:
Guys this topic is the exact reason SteveK disappeared from the forum for several years. You will not talk him out of his love for Penn State or Paterno. In SteveK’s words - Case Closed.
The case isn't closed for all the kids that the Penn State family ruined. I don't know Stevek but I am sure he's tough enough to take some pointed comments about his college.
<<< The case isn't closed for all the kids that the Penn State family ruined. >>>
I think we can all agree with "the case isn't closed for all the kids", and I expressed my feelings on this in a few posts in the thread.
<<< I don't know Stevek but I am sure he's tough enough to take some pointed comments about his college. >>>
I've been around coin and card collectors my entire life since i can remember. I've said this before, and I'll say it again...I've never met a coin or card collector who I didn't like.
I think to be a coin or card collector, it takes a certain type of good character which i happen to like, regardless of different viewpoints on various subjects.
As far as being "disappeared", it had absolutely nothing to do with any CU member. I'm going to leave it at that.
@perkdog said:
Steve make no mistake about it, Im glad your back. This place was a ghost town for awhile so hopefully it continues to be more active again.
Thanks Paul - it feels good to be back.
Nothing better than to talk coins, cards and sports with fellow coin & card collectors.
Well on second thought, maybe one thing is better...i'm getting older, i almost forgot about that. LOL
I thought he was working as Ryan Howard's strength and conditioning coach..
That, or studying for the LSATs.
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@perkdog said:
Steve make no mistake about it, Im glad your back. This place was a ghost town for awhile so hopefully it continues to be more active again.
Thanks Paul - it feels good to be back.
Nothing better than to talk coins, cards and sports with fellow coin & card collectors.
Well on second thought, maybe one thing is better...i'm getting older, i almost forgot about that. LOL
I thought he was working as Ryan Howard's strength and conditioning coach..
That, or studying for the LSATs.
A Ryan Howard comment in this thread?
I guess maybe because there's crickets in your "2018 New York Mets!" thread....and they are red hot. But don't worry about it Tim, i'll try to remember to add a few posts to it when the Mets are five or ten games out of first place. LOL
I watched the movies inserted above where the guy said it was all made up and "nothing" really happened.
I went out on the net and read what was there.....where Sandusky was guilty of everything and coach Joe and the whole staff was guilty of cover-up.
I figure the real truth is somewhere in between.
Bottom line is that everyone guilty will answer for what they did.....weather here or later.
As far as coach Joe or anyone else who knew anything and did not report it........they are guilty. It doesn't matter who it is...weather it is your brother, friend, father, mother or anybody else. IT SHOULD BE REPORTED AND TO THE POLICE!!!!
@Justacommeman said:
No winners in any of this only casualties.
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Similar story at Michigan State.
Yikes
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@perkdog said:
Steve make no mistake about it, Im glad your back. This place was a ghost town for awhile so hopefully it continues to be more active again.
Thanks Paul - it feels good to be back.
Nothing better than to talk coins, cards and sports with fellow coin & card collectors.
Well on second thought, maybe one thing is better...i'm getting older, i almost forgot about that. LOL
I thought he was working as Ryan Howard's strength and conditioning coach..
That, or studying for the LSATs.
A Ryan Howard comment in this thread?
I guess maybe because there's crickets in your "2018 New York Mets!" thread....and they are red hot. But don't worry about it Tim, i'll try to remember to add a few posts to it when the Mets are five or ten games out of first place. LOL
I like flying under the radar. Before you know it, it'll be September and we'll be counting down the magic number to an NL east divisional title.
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A Ryan Howard comment in this thread?
I guess maybe because there's crickets in your "2018 New York Mets!" thread....and they are red hot. But don't worry about it Tim, i'll try to remember to add a few posts to it when the Mets are five or ten games out of first place. LOL
I like flying under the radar. Before you know it, it'll be September and we'll be counting down the magic number to an NL east divisional title.
I'll give ya credit where credit is due, you stick with the Mets thru thick and thin.
I've got the same bad habit with the Phillies. LOL
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A Ryan Howard comment in this thread?
I guess maybe because there's crickets in your "2018 New York Mets!" thread....and they are red hot. But don't worry about it Tim, i'll try to remember to add a few posts to it when the Mets are five or ten games out of first place. LOL
I like flying under the radar. Before you know it, it'll be September and we'll be counting down the magic number to an NL east divisional title.
I'll give ya credit where credit is due, you stick with the Mets thru thick and thin.
I've got the same bad habit with the Phillies. LOL
@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
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@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
well a 4 year degree at penn state gives you twice as many showers with sandusky so there's that .
@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
well a 4 year degree at penn state gives you twice as many showers with sandusky so there's that .
Lame attempt at humor there.
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@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
Glad that you landed a good job. 4 years of school though to manage concessions? If they took a year of fluff courses out of the 4 year programs, most could be accomplished in 3, lowering the debt load considerably.
@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
well a 4 year degree at penn state gives you twice as many showers with sandusky so there's that .
@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
well a 4 year degree at penn state gives you twice as many showers with sandusky so there's that .
Seriously what is your problem? That’s not even funny and a pretty sick attempt at a joke. You think it’s funny to make jokes at the expense of molested children?
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@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
Glad that you landed a good job. 4 years of school though to manage concessions? If they took a year of fluff courses out of the 4 year programs, most could be accomplished in 3, lowering the debt load considerably.
Point understood, and I'll be one of the first to acknowledge that there is a lot of waste in our education system.
However...a lot of kids entering college don't fully know what career path they wish to choose, and a college providing a multitude of classes for a student to explore, can provide a spark to that student to want to get involved in some particular endeavor that they enjoyed in the classroom.
Also...a college degree is not only of value to a prospective employer as far as grades, etc, the number one significance of it is that the student by finishing four years of college has shown that they are capable of sticking to a task and accomplishing it. Which when you think about it, the number one benefit that an employee brings to a company is sticking to a task and accomplishing it. Of course then factored in is the efficiency and quality of the completed work which can determine pay raises, future promotions, etc.
Lastly...let's say a high school grad is 18 years old. You're saying one year of college and then let the kid out in the marketplace at 19. Well, i think in most if not possibly all cases, a 22 year old kid graduating a four year college is much more mature and job ready than a 19 year old. There of course are all sorts of exceptions to this, but overall, especially in today's high tech environment, a four year college experience is vastly superior to a one year college experience. And yes a Food and Beverage Manager at a Country Club is high tech with using a computer and allotted monies to properly calculate inventories, as well as a number of other factors designed to keep Country Club customers happy as they expect the best - very little room for error with that clientele. When done correctly, the food and beverage industry is one of the toughest businesses out there, which is why so many restaurants windup going out of business, because it looks easy to most, but it ain't.
Best wishes and good luck to orioles93 on his career!
(Correction - I see you stated three years of college not one year, I misread it initially, but I'm going to keep the post unedited, just because I don't feel like correcting it - LOL)
Good points. I am not discounting the value of any career including food and beverage. I took many unnecessary courses (including acting and bowling) before entering business/accounting school. Had that luxury 40 years ago as tuition was cheap and I was living under my fathers roof.
Perhaps universities should offer a three year core BA degree program for those that don't have time (and money) to kill and know what their degree choice is.
stevek hit the nail right on the head. I agree to that there is plenty of fluff in college. Many of the gen ed classes are redundant to high school classes, but many of the other courses are necessary. For example, numerous different accounting, finance and econ classes were all very useful for my current job. And as stevek said, a f&b manager isn't just concessions management. I help run the dining, banquets/events, culinary, staffing, budget, pos systems, scheduling, hiring/firing, member management, pool, golf f&b, tennis, etc. I would not be able to do much of what i do without a college degree and learning a lot of this during college. Running a restaurant or any hospitality business for that matter, isn't something that a high school graduate without a college education, can generally do right away.
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@orioles93 said:
stevek hit the nail right on the head. I agree to that there is plenty of fluff in college. Many of the gen ed classes are redundant to high school classes, but many of the other courses are necessary. For example, numerous different accounting, finance and econ classes were all very useful for my current job. And as stevek said, a f&b manager isn't just concessions management. I help run the dining, banquets/events, culinary, staffing, budget, pos systems, scheduling, hiring/firing, member management, pool, golf f&b, tennis, etc. I would not be able to do much of what i do without a college degree and learning a lot of this during college. Running a restaurant or any hospitality business for that matter, isn't something that a high school graduate without a college education, can generally do right away.
Holy chit - i didn't think about all that encompassing one job. Wow - whatever they're paying you, it probably isn't enough.
@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
well a 4 year degree at penn state gives you twice as many showers with sandusky so there's that .
Seriously what is your problem? That’s not even funny and a pretty sick attempt at a joke. You think it’s funny to make jokes at the expense of molested children?
keep them out of penn state and they will be okay. On second thought shut the place down just to be safe
@Coinstartled said:
Good points. I am not discounting the value of any career including food and beverage. I took many unnecessary courses (including acting and bowling) before entering business/accounting school. Had that luxury 40 years ago as tuition was cheap and I was living under my fathers roof.
Perhaps universities should offer a three year core BA degree program for those that don't have time (and money) to kill and know what their degree choice is.
Maybe some already do.
It's interesting though, i took what i think we both would call "throw away" courses, in which the general genre were requirements. A few I took were sociology, psychology, meteorology, biology and some others which seemed at the time like a big waste of time because i wanted a business career and that's what I still do. But i think those courses did help me to become a more rounded person and be able to communicate better, which in business is vitally important.
i mean unless you're someone like John Nash (Beautiful Mind movie), you're so smart that you can be an arrogant **ick and still get employed. But most of us with average intelligence, that little something extra learned, can really help in the marketplace, especially when taking customers to lunch, working on projects with others, and just getting along in the workplace. I'm not going to go into details, but the sociology class did change my outlook on a few things which I'm glad it did, and benefited me even in a business setting at work in various ways.
@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
well a 4 year degree at penn state gives you twice as many showers with sandusky so there's that .
Seriously what is your problem? That’s not even funny and a pretty sick attempt at a joke. You think it’s funny to make jokes at the expense of molested children?
keep them out of penn state and they will be okay. On second thought shut the place down just to be safe
Wrong....PSU is not the problem......it's "some" of the people who "USE" to work there.
@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
well a 4 year degree at penn state gives you twice as many showers with sandusky so there's that .
Seriously what is your problem? That’s not even funny and a pretty sick attempt at a joke. You think it’s funny to make jokes at the expense of molested children?
keep them out of penn state and they will be okay. On second thought shut the place down just to be safe
Wrong....PSU is not the problem......it's "some" of the people who "USE" to work there.
These things happened right in the locker room of a major university . Only Sandusky was guilty supposedly and Joe didn't know supposedly. What a joke , Joe knew and probably everyone on the board knew and every Tom Dick and Harry that passed through the locker room when it happened averted their eyes and waved their pathetic penn state pom poms and did nothing..
@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
Glad that you landed a good job. 4 years of school though to manage concessions? If they took a year of fluff courses out of the 4 year programs, most could be accomplished in 3, lowering the debt load considerably.
Point understood, and I'll be one of the first to acknowledge that there is a lot of waste in our education system.
However...a lot of kids entering college don't fully know what career path they wish to choose, and a college providing a multitude of classes for a student to explore, can provide a spark to that student to want to get involved in some particular endeavor that they enjoyed in the classroom.
Also...a college degree is not only of value to a prospective employer as far as grades, etc, the number one significance of it is that the student by finishing four years of college has shown that they are capable of sticking to a task and accomplishing it. Which when you think about it, the number one benefit that an employee brings to a company is sticking to a task and accomplishing it. Of course then factored in is the efficiency and quality of the completed work which can determine pay raises, future promotions, etc.
Lastly...let's say a high school grad is 18 years old. You're saying one year of college and then let the kid out in the marketplace at 19. Well, i think in most if not possibly all cases, a 22 year old kid graduating a four year college is much more mature and job ready than a 19 year old. There of course are all sorts of exceptions to this, but overall, especially in today's high tech environment, a four year college experience is vastly superior to a one year college experience. And yes a Food and Beverage Manager at a Country Club is high tech with using a computer and allotted monies to properly calculate inventories, as well as a number of other factors designed to keep Country Club customers happy as they expect the best - very little room for error with that clientele. When done correctly, the food and beverage industry is one of the toughest businesses out there, which is why so many restaurants windup going out of business, because it looks easy to most, but it ain't.
Best wishes and good luck to orioles93 on his career!
(Correction - I see you stated three years of college not one year, I misread it initially, but I'm going to keep the post unedited, just because I don't feel like correcting it - LOL)
Well stated...especially for a Philly fan..lol..
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@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
well a 4 year degree at penn state gives you twice as many showers with sandusky so there's that .
Seriously what is your problem? That’s not even funny and a pretty sick attempt at a joke. You think it’s funny to make jokes at the expense of molested children?
keep them out of penn state and they will be okay. On second thought shut the place down just to be safe
Wrong....PSU is not the problem......it's "some" of the people who "USE" to work there.
These things happened right in the locker room of a major university . Only Sandusky was guilty supposedly and Joe didn't know supposedly. What a joke , Joe knew and probably everyone on the board knew and every Tom Dick and Harry that passed through the locker room when it happened averted their eyes and waved their pathetic penn state pom poms and did nothing..
Bronc....you are letting your anger for this very sick act blind you. Joe in my opinion from what I have read dropped the ball and did not do enough when he found out what was going on. But to assume everyone on the board new is silly.
@BALROG said:
A funnier thing here... not morbid and sick like PeenState/Sanducky/Paterno sickness... but actually funny is, the kids that still choose to do 4 year college programs. MO -- RONS. Get with the time kiddies. Look at Penn State, if ya choose to be 50 and still ROOT ROOT ROOT for the ole' college, ya probably haven't got a job yet. Two year program max..and in to a stand up start up or legitimate co as first line, then move up. Doing so won't leave you with the need to live your early twenties over and over and think your in a 'club'.
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
well a 4 year degree at penn state gives you twice as many showers with sandusky so there's that .
Seriously what is your problem? That’s not even funny and a pretty sick attempt at a joke. You think it’s funny to make jokes at the expense of molested children?
keep them out of penn state and they will be okay. On second thought shut the place down just to be safe
Wrong....PSU is not the problem......it's "some" of the people who "USE" to work there.
These things happened right in the locker room of a major university . Only Sandusky was guilty supposedly and Joe didn't know supposedly. What a joke , Joe knew and probably everyone on the board knew and every Tom Dick and Harry that passed through the locker room when it happened averted their eyes and waved their pathetic penn state pom poms and did nothing..
Bronc....you are letting your anger for this very sick act blind you. Joe in my opinion from what I have read dropped the ball and did not do enough when he found out what was going on. But to assume everyone on the board new is silly.
but he supposedly reported something to them , and they didn't do anything . So its pervert sandusky , poor old blind joe and a group or further up the food chain who did nothing. Then there was that guy who saw an incident and felt bad for not reporting it or stopping it. There were surely others. Penn state fans are mad at that guy but probably because he came forward not because he didn't do enough.
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It's all good - I did all I could while I was there to be part of the solution. Just kept getting harder to lace them up and lately it just seems like the kids are not really put first anymore. That may sound crazy but there is so much nonsense and rhetoric in schools these days. People seem to have forgotten the virtues and principles that this nation was founded on, is supposed to embody and represent and that the rest of the world is watching - closely.
Babies are going out with bathwater all over the place.
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I hear ya and completely understand your points.
What about character assassination of Joe Paterno? It works both ways.
Legacy of Paterno is that when I see Penn State doing well at football I sort of puke. Sorry to the fine athletes on the field as they of course have no nexus to the accommodative creep.
In defense of Joe Pa. The untold story.
A summation for those with a short attention span.
Shysterspeak,
And you know different, glicker?
I only watched the last video.
Well...the jury convicted Sandusky, so for now, I have to go with that. I'm a strong believer in our Constitution. Sandusky can appeal, and take it from there which i presume his lawyers have done that already.
Of course juries can get it wrong. The obvious case is everybody knows that OJ was guilty, but for various reasons the jury decided otherwise. I mean why would OJ attempt to escape if he knew he was innocent...and that's just the first thing.
Based on the facts and evidence, I believe that Sandusky is guilty and received the punishment he deserved.
It's sad that those out there blasting Joe Paterno, don't seem to accord him the same courtesy of facts and evidence in the court of public opinion.
I watched the movie Saturday night. The last statement in the movie says it all. He and others looked the other way.
Guys this topic is the exact reason SteveK disappeared from the forum for several years. You will not talk him out of his love for Penn State or Paterno. In SteveK’s words - Case Closed.
I forgot how much i liked this place.
I think i'll stay for awhile. If for nothing else, just to irritate some Cowboys and Mets fans.
Steve make no mistake about it, Im glad your back. This place was a ghost town for awhile so hopefully it continues to be more active again.
Thanks Paul - it feels good to be back.
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Well on second thought, maybe one thing is better...i'm getting older, i almost forgot about that. LOL
The case isn't closed for all the kids that the Penn State family ruined. I don't know Stevek but I am sure he's tough enough to take some pointed comments about his college.
No winners in any of this only casualties.
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<<< The case isn't closed for all the kids that the Penn State family ruined. >>>
I think we can all agree with "the case isn't closed for all the kids", and I expressed my feelings on this in a few posts in the thread.
<<< I don't know Stevek but I am sure he's tough enough to take some pointed comments about his college. >>>
I've been around coin and card collectors my entire life since i can remember. I've said this before, and I'll say it again...I've never met a coin or card collector who I didn't like.
I think to be a coin or card collector, it takes a certain type of good character which i happen to like, regardless of different viewpoints on various subjects.
As far as being "disappeared", it had absolutely nothing to do with any CU member. I'm going to leave it at that.
Joe Paterno - RIP
Similar story at Michigan State.
I thought he was working as Ryan Howard's strength and conditioning coach..
That, or studying for the LSATs.
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A Ryan Howard comment in this thread?
I guess maybe because there's crickets in your "2018 New York Mets!" thread....and they are red hot. But don't worry about it Tim, i'll try to remember to add a few posts to it when the Mets are five or ten games out of first place. LOL
I watched the movies inserted above where the guy said it was all made up and "nothing" really happened.
I went out on the net and read what was there.....where Sandusky was guilty of everything and coach Joe and the whole staff was guilty of cover-up.
I figure the real truth is somewhere in between.
Bottom line is that everyone guilty will answer for what they did.....weather here or later.
As far as coach Joe or anyone else who knew anything and did not report it........they are guilty. It doesn't matter who it is...weather it is your brother, friend, father, mother or anybody else. IT SHOULD BE REPORTED AND TO THE POLICE!!!!
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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I like flying under the radar. Before you know it, it'll be September and we'll be counting down the magic number to an NL east divisional title.
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A Ryan Howard comment in this thread?
I guess maybe because there's crickets in your "2018 New York Mets!" thread....and they are red hot. But don't worry about it Tim, i'll try to remember to add a few posts to it when the Mets are five or ten games out of first place. LOL
I like flying under the radar. Before you know it, it'll be September and we'll be counting down the magic number to an NL east divisional title.
I'll give ya credit where credit is due, you stick with the Mets thru thick and thin.
I've got the same bad habit with the Phillies. LOL
I have the same habit with the Cowboys!
What are you talking about? I recently graduated from PSU with a Hospitality Management degree, and it helped me get a great job out of college at a Country Club as a Food and Beverage Manager. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's common sense that 4 year degrees help you get better jobs and a better future. Try trolling less and using your brain more often.
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I would have to agree with orioles93 here.
well a 4 year degree at penn state gives you twice as many showers with sandusky so there's that .
Lame attempt at humor there.
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Glad that you landed a good job. 4 years of school though to manage concessions? If they took a year of fluff courses out of the 4 year programs, most could be accomplished in 3, lowering the debt load considerably.
Not just lame, but sick!
Seriously what is your problem? That’s not even funny and a pretty sick attempt at a joke. You think it’s funny to make jokes at the expense of molested children?
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Point understood, and I'll be one of the first to acknowledge that there is a lot of waste in our education system.
However...a lot of kids entering college don't fully know what career path they wish to choose, and a college providing a multitude of classes for a student to explore, can provide a spark to that student to want to get involved in some particular endeavor that they enjoyed in the classroom.
Also...a college degree is not only of value to a prospective employer as far as grades, etc, the number one significance of it is that the student by finishing four years of college has shown that they are capable of sticking to a task and accomplishing it. Which when you think about it, the number one benefit that an employee brings to a company is sticking to a task and accomplishing it. Of course then factored in is the efficiency and quality of the completed work which can determine pay raises, future promotions, etc.
Lastly...let's say a high school grad is 18 years old. You're saying one year of college and then let the kid out in the marketplace at 19. Well, i think in most if not possibly all cases, a 22 year old kid graduating a four year college is much more mature and job ready than a 19 year old. There of course are all sorts of exceptions to this, but overall, especially in today's high tech environment, a four year college experience is vastly superior to a one year college experience. And yes a Food and Beverage Manager at a Country Club is high tech with using a computer and allotted monies to properly calculate inventories, as well as a number of other factors designed to keep Country Club customers happy as they expect the best - very little room for error with that clientele. When done correctly, the food and beverage industry is one of the toughest businesses out there, which is why so many restaurants windup going out of business, because it looks easy to most, but it ain't.
Best wishes and good luck to orioles93 on his career!
(Correction - I see you stated three years of college not one year, I misread it initially, but I'm going to keep the post unedited, just because I don't feel like correcting it - LOL)
Good points. I am not discounting the value of any career including food and beverage. I took many unnecessary courses (including acting and bowling) before entering business/accounting school. Had that luxury 40 years ago as tuition was cheap and I was living under my fathers roof.
Perhaps universities should offer a three year core BA degree program for those that don't have time (and money) to kill and know what their degree choice is.
Maybe some already do.
stevek hit the nail right on the head. I agree to that there is plenty of fluff in college. Many of the gen ed classes are redundant to high school classes, but many of the other courses are necessary. For example, numerous different accounting, finance and econ classes were all very useful for my current job. And as stevek said, a f&b manager isn't just concessions management. I help run the dining, banquets/events, culinary, staffing, budget, pos systems, scheduling, hiring/firing, member management, pool, golf f&b, tennis, etc. I would not be able to do much of what i do without a college degree and learning a lot of this during college. Running a restaurant or any hospitality business for that matter, isn't something that a high school graduate without a college education, can generally do right away.
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Holy chit - i didn't think about all that encompassing one job. Wow - whatever they're paying you, it probably isn't enough.
keep them out of penn state and they will be okay. On second thought shut the place down just to be safe
It's interesting though, i took what i think we both would call "throw away" courses, in which the general genre were requirements. A few I took were sociology, psychology, meteorology, biology and some others which seemed at the time like a big waste of time because i wanted a business career and that's what I still do. But i think those courses did help me to become a more rounded person and be able to communicate better, which in business is vitally important.
i mean unless you're someone like John Nash (Beautiful Mind movie), you're so smart that you can be an arrogant **ick and still get employed. But most of us with average intelligence, that little something extra learned, can really help in the marketplace, especially when taking customers to lunch, working on projects with others, and just getting along in the workplace. I'm not going to go into details, but the sociology class did change my outlook on a few things which I'm glad it did, and benefited me even in a business setting at work in various ways.
Wrong....PSU is not the problem......it's "some" of the people who "USE" to work there.
These things happened right in the locker room of a major university . Only Sandusky was guilty supposedly and Joe didn't know supposedly. What a joke , Joe knew and probably everyone on the board knew and every Tom Dick and Harry that passed through the locker room when it happened averted their eyes and waved their pathetic penn state pom poms and did nothing..
Well stated...especially for a Philly fan..lol..
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OK that does it...now the gloves are off for the rest of the season in your NY Mets thread.
Bronc....you are letting your anger for this very sick act blind you. Joe in my opinion from what I have read dropped the ball and did not do enough when he found out what was going on. But to assume everyone on the board new is silly.
but he supposedly reported something to them , and they didn't do anything . So its pervert sandusky , poor old blind joe and a group or further up the food chain who did nothing. Then there was that guy who saw an incident and felt bad for not reporting it or stopping it. There were surely others. Penn state fans are mad at that guy but probably because he came forward not because he didn't do enough.
what up bunt
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
no bunting allowed , its an unwritten rule
bush league for sure
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