CAC results on latest batch - GTC (Guess The CAC) {Revealed}

oih82w8 · February 12, 2018 9:34AM

I received notice on my latest batch of CAC submittals, and the usual head scratchers were given as well as some "good feelings". Here are the coins that I sent. Can you identify which may have received the "green or gold bean"?

1804 Half Cent Draped Bust Spike Chin F15BN

1814 1C Crosslet 4 VG10

1834 H10C AU53

1835 10C VF25

1837 10C No Stars, Large Date AU55

1865 2C AU53BN

1892 50C MS62

1908 1C MS65RB

1913 5C Type I MS65

Thank you for your interest and participation!

No Headlights · February 12, 2018 9:40AM

Gold 92 half

TommyType · February 12, 2018 10:49AM

I'll give the "Tommy Bean" to all of the Half-Dimes and Dimes, as well as the Barber Half.....

(A Tommy Bean is worth about as much as a coffee bean, but doesn't taste as good.....)

BillJones · February 12, 2018 11:08AM

1804 half cent NO
1814 Cent NO
1834 half dime green bean
1835 half dime green bean
1837 half dime NO
1892 Half Dollar Possilble gold bean if the luster is full on both sides.
1908 Cent green bean
1913 Nickel green bean

lusterlover · February 12, 2018 12:17PM

1804 half cent NO
1814 Cent NO
1834 half dime green bean
1835 half dime NO
1837 half dime green bean
1892 Half Dollar gold bean
1908 Cent NO
1913 Nickel green bean

Unknown · February 12, 2018 12:23PM

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logger7 · February 12, 2018 1:03PM

Probably the Bust and Seated coins, and maybe the Barber.

bolivarshagnasty · February 12, 2018 1:18PM

Shag's opinion..........
1/2 dime and dimes pass
barber half pass
all others did not...... 4/9

Boosibri · February 12, 2018 1:21PM

1804 half cent NO
1814 Cent NO
1834 half dime green
1835 half dime green
1837 half dime green
1865 2c NO
1892 Half Dollar green
1908 Cent NO
1913 Nickel NO

Boosibri · February 12, 2018 1:22PM

My opinion is that there are a few OOG's...Original, Over-Graded coins....the 2C, the Indian

VanHalen · February 12, 2018 1:39PM

@FadeToBlack said:
1804 half cent NO
1814 Cent NO
1834 half dime NO
1835 half dime green bean
1837 half dime NO
1892 Half Dollar NO
1908 Cent NO
1913 Nickel green bean

While all of your coins look nice, I'll go with FTB of these picks.

Wabbit2313 · February 12, 2018 5:36PM

No
No
Green
No
Green
Green
Green
No
No

JBN · February 12, 2018 6:29PM

I won't even attempt any of the copper. For the silver: The half dime ("for sure"), 1837 dime, 1892 barber. Nope for the others. I wouldn't be surprised at gold for the half dime.

oih82w8 · February 13, 2018 6:44AM

Some interesting variances and consistencies.

WinLoseWin · February 13, 2018 8:25AM

Here are my Pure WAGs that are an exercise in picture divining and mind reading. In person, my guesses would likely be quite different. Then throw in that I might disagree with CAC.

1804 Half Cent - Green
1814 Cent - none
1834 Half Dime - Green
1835 Dime - Green
1837 Dime - Gold
1865 Two Cent - none
1892 Half Dollar - none
1908 Cent - Green
1913 Var 1 Nickel - Green

TPRC · February 13, 2018 10:41AM

My 2 cents, and I agree with Boosbri that there are some original over-graded coins in the group which I call a No.

1804 half cent NO
1814 Cent NO
1834 half dime green bean
1835 half dime NO
1837 half dime green bean
1865 Two Cent - NO
1892 Half Dollar green bean
1908 Cent NO
1913 Nickel green bean

TommyType · February 13, 2018 10:53AM

@oih82w8 said:
Some interesting variances and consistencies.

I think the problem with "GTC" is that you have to both "evaluate the coin" AND "read the mind of the CAC people". There's a reason that even experienced collectors and graders get surprises from CAC submissions....

I think the 1835 dime is a good example. It seems to be a crusty original. If you are looking for a VF bust dime, this is what it should/could look like! But some don't like the look, preferring something a little less...interesting? And many/most posters here would prefer a higher grade to begin with. So, the "evaluation process" gets muddled.

CAC on the other hand tends to reward originality. So, it's a tug of war to guess what CAC might do with this crusty original bust dime. (For the record, I guessed a "Yes" on the coin.)

Added:
Then there's the 1913 Buff. No doubt, a good looking coin. But with the weak "LIBERTY", is it a top end for the grade? Read the mind of CAC.... (I guessed "No"....but it wasn't because the coin is crap! Just a mind reading exercise).

AngryTurtle · February 13, 2018 10:57AM

1804 HC N
18141C N
1834 H10C Y
1835 10C N
1837 10C Y
1865 2C Y
1892 50C Y
1908 1C N
1913 5C Y

oldabeintx · February 13, 2018 11:01AM

N
Y
Y
N
Y
N
Y Gold?
N
Y

ProfLiz · February 13, 2018 11:04AM

Here's my WAG, if I'm being curmudgeonly:

1804 half cent NO 
1814 cent NO 
1834 half dime NO
 1835 half dime NO 
1837 dime green 
1865 2c NO 
1892 half green 
1908 cent green 
1913 nickel NO

oih82w8 · February 13, 2018 11:15AM

@TommyType said:

@oih82w8 said:
Some interesting variances and consistencies.

I think the problem with "GTC" is that you have to both "evaluate the coin" AND "read the mind of the CAC people". There's a reason that even experienced collectors and graders get surprises from CAC submissions....

Totally agree!

robec · February 13, 2018 11:35AM

1804 yes
1814 gold
1834 yes
1835 yes
1837 no
1865 no
1892 yes
1908 yes
1913 yes

jtlee321 · February 13, 2018 2:31PM

Here are my guesses:

1804 Half Cent - No
1814 Cent - Yes
1834 Half Dime - Yes/ Possible Gold
1835 Dime - Yes
1837 Dime - Yes
1865 Two Cent - No
1892 Half Dollar - Yes/ Possible Gold
1908 Cent - No
1913 Buffalo - Yes

cameonut2011 · February 13, 2018 3:29PM

1804 half cent - YES
1814 cent - YES (possible gold)
1834 half dime - YES
1835 dime - YES
1837 dime - NO (looks AU53 to me)
1865 two cent - YES
1892 half dollar - YES (possible gold)
1908 cent - YES
1913 nickel - NO

lusterlover · February 13, 2018 7:46PM

Answers please; it's be 24+ hours. Tx.

mannie gray · February 13, 2018 9:31PM

no
yes
yes
no
no
yes
yes
no
yes

What did I win?

cameonut2011 · February 13, 2018 10:42PM

Survey says...?

coinkat · February 14, 2018 4:09AM

These are mostly collector coins... Attracive and meet expectations for what they are. The grades seem reasonable. So for the first 6 coins, is a CAC so called green bean a game changer? Seems those six are fine as they are without the need for CAC. I see the Barber, Indian and Buff as getting a greater benefit. I like the Barber the best of the remaining three.

Hope the submission met your expectations

Treashunt · February 14, 2018 5:16AM

yes on all, just to be different

oih82w8 · February 14, 2018 6:19AM

1804 Half Cent Draped Bust Spike Chin F15BN 26077872

1814 1C VG10 4241696008 - Not CAC

1834 Half Dime Capped Bust AU53 81617075

1835 Dime Capped Bust Small VF25 26736512

1837 10C AU55 82230551 - Not CAC

1865 Two Cents AU53BN 28738596

1892 Half Dollars Barber MS62 34600378

1908 Small Cent Indian Bronze MS65RB 83731288

1913 5C MS65 19161513 - Not CAC

It's just another opinion.

ricko · February 14, 2018 6:55AM

Late to the party.... nice results though... Cheers, RickO

AngryTurtle · February 14, 2018 9:05AM

Interesting exercise!

I got 5 wrong, 3 where CAC said Y and I said N, and 2 where CAC said N and I said Y. And yes, I agree with RickO, nice coins and results!

Cougar1978 · February 14, 2018 9:28AM

My fav was 1835 10c and it got it. Beyond that did not have foggiest. Nice coins u did well.

Surprised they did not like 1913 5c.

Thanks for sharing, great thread.

TommyType · February 14, 2018 9:29AM

6 of 9 is a pretty good batting average, given what we've seen here on the boards. Congrats!

BAJJERFAN · February 14, 2018 10:04AM

@oih82w8 said:
1804 Half Cent Draped Bust Spike Chin F15BN 26077872

1814 1C VG10 4241696008 - Not CAC

1834 Half Dime Capped Bust AU53 81617075

1835 Dime Capped Bust Small VF25 26736512

1837 10C AU55 82230551 - Not CAC

1865 Two Cents AU53BN 28738596

1892 Half Dollars Barber MS62 34600378

1908 Small Cent Indian Bronze MS65RB 83731288

1913 5C MS65 19161513 - Not CAC

It's just another opinion.

Another opinion. Would be interesting to send 100 slabbed coins to PCGS and see how many of their graders would either bean or not bean them. Then send them to CAC. It's apparent in the coin biz that not all great minds think alike.

Peace_dollar88 · February 14, 2018 12:32PM

WOW! Great looking coins!

VanHalen · February 14, 2018 12:38PM

Congratulations on the results!

ShadyDave · February 14, 2018 1:16PM

I'll take the 1837 if you don't like it anymore after being denied by CAC

oih82w8 · February 14, 2018 1:31PM

@ShadyDave said:
I'll take the 1837 if you don't like it anymore after being denied by CAC

I have had quite a few "taker" offers on that coin...I have it listed in the BST.

Walkerfan · February 14, 2018 1:36PM

I would've given the 1834 H10 AU 53 a gold bean. JMHO.

cameonut2011 · February 14, 2018 2:36PM

@oih82w8 said:

1814 1C VG10 4241696008 - Not CAC

Did CAC give a reason for rejecting the 1814?

Treashunt · February 14, 2018 3:53PM

congrats, you did above average.

My average anyway.
Then I gave up

oih82w8 · February 14, 2018 10:29PM

@cameonut2011 said:

@oih82w8 said:

1814 1C VG10 4241696008 - Not CAC

Did CAC give a reason for rejecting the 1814?

I have not received them back yet. I did not know that they gave reasons for Not CAC.

BAJJERFAN · February 14, 2018 10:40PM

@oih82w8 said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@oih82w8 said:

1814 1C VG10 4241696008 - Not CAC

Did CAC give a reason for rejecting the 1814?

I have not received them back yet. I did not know that they gave reasons for Not CAC.

They don't normally, but John will discuss them with you if you call him. Best to call him ASAP after results post so there's a good chance that they still have the coins.

bolivarshagnasty · February 14, 2018 11:25PM

Let us not lose the fact that John got to see these coins in hand, and we made our opinion from two dimensional photographs. Nice group of coins.

WinLoseWin · February 15, 2018 1:24PM

@cameonut2011 said:
Survey says...?

Survey says you had the best guess with 8 right and missing on only one. That is counting "possible gold" as equal to saying green.

From a quick look it appears guess accuracy ranged from 8-1 to 2-7, Most in the 4, 5 or 6 right. Some had left out the 2c piece in their guesses. What that results say, I don't know. But it was an interesting exercise. The most important take away for me is that I could have been doing something more important than analyzing the guess results.

On the 1814 1c I guessed no CAC because it looks like some light porosity even though the detail looks like F-12 to me. Guessing it was net graded down by NGC for that or maybe light reverse scratches.

1TwoBits · February 15, 2018 1:29PM

oih82w8, that is an excellent percentage that stickered. Did you just pick a few from your collection that you thought would have the best possibility to get the CAC sticker?

1TwoBits

Wabbit2313 · February 15, 2018 2:50PM

How did the one that went along for the ride do? Your percentage was good!

oih82w8 · February 15, 2018 5:24PM

I select a few different denominations/series as to not be in comparison to one another...and I would like to believe that that they all would pass muster, but you can't please everyone. Kind of like ‘Let’s drop this down the well and see how big a splash it makes.’

I held back on the 1849 H10C until I get the variety attribution straightened out through our host...hopefully.

crazyhounddog · February 15, 2018 5:30PM

I'm late to the party but it appears as though you did pretty damn good. Nice group of coins too.

CAC results on latest batch - GTC (Guess The CAC) {Revealed}

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