Sharing my box of 20 for the 1st time - Old White Rattlers (OWR's).
Lakesammman
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I started collecting OWR’s (Old White Rattlers) several years ago after seeing one for the 1st time on a 25th anniversary post here on the forums. It’s now posted on the OWR census thread.
My Box of 20 in a old rattler box. 
Generation 1.0
Generation 1.1
The 1st one I saw in person was offered to me by Bill Shamhart. I was hooked after that.
They have come from a variety of sources – from dealers, at auction, from forum friends, cherry picked on ebay, etc. The oddest was an email I got from someone out of the blue who thought what they had was unusual and after Googling “white rattler label” came across my post on the BST and offered it to me. Some have been inexpensive, purchased before their existence became common knowledge, others I’ve had to pay up for. Some I’ve passed on with regret. The 20th came this week after a tip from a forum friend!
Smallest – H10, 3c piece.
Largest – Morgans, $20 Saint.
Most common – 3 1882-S Morgans.
As shown at the PCGS Museum of Holders, the 1.0 has a coarser dot matrix print. The easiest pickup for me from an online listing is the 1.0 has a slash between the grade and serial number 55 degrees from horizontal, the 1.1 is 45 degrees carried into the 1.2 generation.
Number of each in the box of 20:
1.0 - 7
1.1 - 13
There’s a theory that these are all undergraded since they were from the early days of PCGS. I don’t know the CAC history of all 20.
CAC gold – 4
CAC Green – 7
Would NEVER CAC – 1 of the 1.0’s, 2 of the 1.1’s.
Would probably CAC – 6, if submitted.
My favorite so far??
Biggest regret – selling a $20 Lib 1.1 to a friend that wore me out asking for it. 
Will still be looking out for these but rather than buy everyone I can, the focus will now be on type coins that I need for my “Collectible Holder Type Set”. All tips on finding these are welcome!
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That Buffalo nickel in 1938 looks severely undergraded.
Outstanding!
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Freakin cool post! Excessively cool. The essence of collecting
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That Buffalo nickel in 1938 looks severely under graded.
Not a great picture - you sure??
Actually that's the toughest coin in my 1938-D MS66 Buff PCGS generations set - will never break out that sucker!
Excellent.
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Uh..... OK.
Do yogies differentiate 1.0 from 1.1??
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Actually 1.0 often indicates a western beginners class. They go up in .5 point increments. Believe it or not I'm a certified instructor. For real. Yoga has been a Game changer for me
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Why?
Wow, what a surprise, 3 of 4 OWR that I've owned have made it into your collection :P
Such a nice looking box of 20!
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Nice!
Outstanding box of 20! And except for all those d@*$ morgans quite the type set too! Lol
congrats, Tim
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Very cool. That feat would be pretty tough to replicate. I like the seated dime and the quarter eagle especially.
Great post and one helluva an awesome Box of 20!!
I do love the idea of an 1938-D MS66 Buff PCGS generations set. Quite the unique way to collect those 38-D Buffs.
Jeff
All old and pretty!
bob
cool group
Amazing!
Congrats on some very cool coins and special holders!
Dave
Buffalo is a screamer. Looks Ultra gem 68 from my monitor.
That 82-S Morgan with the gold bean sticks out like a sore thumb, what's the reverse look like?
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Very cool! A true collector you are! AB
Love the collection idea. Really love the 1838 dime and the Sesqui. Very cool.
Very impressive
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Very nice.... not being a slab expert, I must check some of mine... particularly some old MS66 Buffs I have...will let you know... Cheers, RickO
Outstanding!! Time to start another box.
See how far you can take a typeset in OWR holders.
Folks, er, ah, ok, dumb question, what does OWR stand for? I get 'Rattler', but OW?
How about:
Other World Rattler
Olde Wonderful Rattler
Obsigned Wizened Rattler
Okay I digress, nice coins and holders, but OWR?
Best, SH
Very nice set!
@spacehayduke I was thinking "Old White Rattler" but I like "Other World Rattler" better I think
OW = Old White (Gen 1.0 and 1.1 rattlers had white labels)
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Stunning collection of 20!
I love your passion for collecting. Always have, always will.
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Beautiful looking coins!!!
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That's one of the coolest things I have seen in a long time. Very impressive!
What fantastic pieces and beautiful collection! I am truly in awe
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? OWR's please?
"O" old or original?
Cool idea for a collection. Very nice.
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Tommy
Terrific collection. Thanks for sharing!!
What a cool set!
Thank you for the easy and useful tip. But if I read it, and see it, correctly, wouldn't your box of 20 have 13 1.0's and 7 1.1's?
The 1.0's have the more upright slash between grade and serial number with the earlier dot matrix printer, fewer/larger dots per symbol - 1st picture.
The 1.1's have the slash at a 45 degree with more/smaller dots per symbol - 2nd 2 pictures.
This might show it better.
The 1.1 is on top, the 1.0 bottom.
Compare the "/" between the grade and serial number.
Look at the 1.0's - 3 dots to the base on the "1", 5 dots to the base of "1" on the 1.1's, etc.
O = Old?
W = White?
R =
It would help me enjoy the thread more!
OWR - Old white rattler
OGR - Old green rattler
OGH - Old green holder
OBH - Old blue holder (showing up on ebay!)
SOB - Never mind.....
Will add it to the OP - thanks for the tip!
I got it, thank you.
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Tommy
Nice - thanks for sharing. I'd love to see those in person someday.
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I imagine you sitting at a computer screen with a protractor measuring the "/" to figure out if its a 1.0 or 1.1.
Nice old green slab box too!
Cool set
I imagine you sitting at a computer screen with a protractor measuring the "/" to figure out if its a 1.0 or 1.1.
Actually, that's what I did! Back in the day when films were printed out and there wasn't a digital protractor on the computer, we measured angles and dimensions by hand.
So, I might be off by 1-2 degrees, but not more.
Awesome set!!!!
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