MS 64 in my most objective view. Maybe a "+" on a good day. But I think not. Maybe a sticker, one day. But I care not. As for my personal opinion: I like the looks of the coin. It's clean and fit for collectors (even raw, in an album quenches my numismatic thirst )
Thanks all, It's off to are host we will see in two or three weeks. I picked it up at a good price so what ever it is it will be good it's a nice coin to me but I hope I'm not losing my eye if it comes back lower then I thought. I'm shooting for MS65/6 is my guess but we will see what the great and powerful Oz says.
@jtlee321 said:
I think it depends on if you are sending it to our host or ATS. I think NGC would easily go 65 with a chance at a 66 on it (They really seem to go easy on GSA's. Our host I believe would grade it a 65 possibly a 64/64+ on a bad day.
I think most serious GSA collectors the reverse of your grading thought would be trus. PCGS graded GSA dollars in the original holders bring less money. Just my observations
TD
@Insider2 said:
One other thing to consider. AFAIK, NGC does not guarantee the grade of CC dollars in the case with the grading label on the outside - so, more chance at a higher grade (deserved or not) to make the customer happy!
@BillJones said:
Looks like it's a very nice MS-64. Oddly enough I don't think that the GSA thought it was Unc. when they sold it because the holder is not marked as such.
Bill the toning on the reverse kept it out of the uncirculated holder
@jtlee321 said:
I think it depends on if you are sending it to our host or ATS. I think NGC would easily go 65 with a chance at a 66 on it (They really seem to go easy on GSA's. Our host I believe would grade it a 65 possibly a 64/64+ on a bad day.
I think most serious GSA collectors the reverse of your grading thought would be trus. PCGS graded GSA dollars in the original holders bring less money. Just my observations
TD
I agree with you that PCGS graded GSA Dollars in the original GSA plastic bring less money than NGC counterparts. I much prefer the way NGC and ANACS grade them with the tamper evident ribbons as opposed to a second plastic shell over the original plastic shell. I like to keep mine in the boxes with the certs when possible, and that's just not possible with a PCGS graded GSA.
As far as which TPG is tougher on GSA Dollars, I could be wrong. My impression from the graded coins I've seen, is that PCGS is a little more conservative than NGC. Of course both services ebb and flow on their grading.
Here is an '84-CC that I sent to NGC because I knew it would grade a 65 there. I figured it would have gone into a 64 holder with our host.
@jtlee321 said:
I think it depends on if you are sending it to our host or ATS. I think NGC would easily go 65 with a chance at a 66 on it (They really seem to go easy on GSA's. Our host I believe would grade it a 65 possibly a 64/64+ on a bad day.
I think most serious GSA collectors the reverse of your grading thought would be trus. PCGS graded GSA dollars in the original holders bring less money. Just my observations
TD
I agree with you that PCGS graded GSA Dollars in the original GSA plastic bring less money than NGC counterparts. I much prefer the way NGC and ANACS grade them with the tamper evident ribbons as opposed to a second plastic shell over the original plastic shell. I like to keep mine in the boxes with the certs when possible, and that's just not possible with a PCGS graded GSA.
As far as which TPG is tougher on GSA Dollars, I could be wrong. My impression from the graded coins I've seen, is that PCGS is a little more conservative than NGC. Of course both services ebb and flow on their grading.
Here is an '84-CC that I sent to NGC because I knew it would grade a 65 there. I figured it would have gone into a 64 holder with our host.
I talk with all the dealers who specialize in GSA’s and they all pay less for PCGS graded GSA’s and it is because of the looser grading standards. IMO I find this also to be true. My main collection is in GSA dollars and has been for some time. I have looked at many ,many coins to come to this conclusion.
I once had a GSA collector tell me that if I had this GSA coin in a NGC holder he would give me a better price for it he offered me $3500 but I thought it was a good price but a bit soft so I sent it to auction and it was crazy how much I rec for it even thought all the NGC guy's kept telling me it needs to be in a NGC holder to get good money it sold for $12K + juice in the PCGS holder, This is the coin I'm talking about, it cost me $800.
@Type2 said:
I once had a GSA collector tell me that if I had this GSA coin in a NGC holder he would give me a better price for it he offered me $3500 but I thought it was a good price but a bit soft so I sent it to auction and it was crazy how much I rec for it even thought all the NGC guy's kept telling me it needs to be in a NGC holder to get good money it sold for $12K + juice in the PCGS holder, This is the coin I'm talking about, it cost me $800.
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@BillJones said:
Looks like it's a very nice MS-64. Oddly enough I don't think that the GSA thought it was Unc. when they sold it because the holder is not marked as such.
The GSA considered any of the CC coins with toning not to be uncirculated. That's why if you find a GSA CC dollar with even a small amount of toning, it will be in a "circulated" holder.
I think the coin is a 64, but CC coins are given a little grace, especially dollars and gold. So, it may just end up in a 65 holder.
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Well it took some time but it's on it's way back in a oversize MS65 holder, Thanks for all the looks and guesses kind of hard not having the coin in hand but some wore right on
, I thought I lost my eye for a bit but I was on target.
Very nice example, one to be proud of, who cares what the grading services think of it...why be disappointed if it doesn't garner the level you think it should be, enjoy the moment! Good luck anyways for a nice 64+
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It's a slamdunk ms65.
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Looks like a solid 65 to me.
MS 64 in my most objective view. Maybe a "+" on a good day. But I think not. Maybe a sticker, one day. But I care not. As for my personal opinion: I like the looks of the coin. It's clean and fit for collectors (even raw, in an album quenches my numismatic thirst )
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cool coin, i like
Thanks all, It's off to are host we will see in two or three weeks. I picked it up at a good price so what ever it is it will be good it's a nice coin to me but I hope I'm not losing my eye if it comes back lower then I thought. I'm shooting for MS65/6 is my guess but we will see what the great and powerful Oz says.
Hoard the keys.
I think most serious GSA collectors the reverse of your grading thought would be trus. PCGS graded GSA dollars in the original holders bring less money. Just my observations
TD
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PCGS or NGC?
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This is no longer true. They are now
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@Boosibri said: "I got this GSA into a 65 holder last month if that is any help asa a basis for reference:
That changed my opinion completely! The OP's coin is a MS-67 Star!
LOL.
Bill the toning on the reverse kept it out of the uncirculated holder
Rainbow Stars
I agree with you that PCGS graded GSA Dollars in the original GSA plastic bring less money than NGC counterparts. I much prefer the way NGC and ANACS grade them with the tamper evident ribbons as opposed to a second plastic shell over the original plastic shell. I like to keep mine in the boxes with the certs when possible, and that's just not possible with a PCGS graded GSA.
As far as which TPG is tougher on GSA Dollars, I could be wrong. My impression from the graded coins I've seen, is that PCGS is a little more conservative than NGC. Of course both services ebb and flow on their grading.
Here is an '84-CC that I sent to NGC because I knew it would grade a 65 there. I figured it would have gone into a 64 holder with our host.
I happen to think the PCGS cocept should catch on! Those GSA holders are just too damn easy to crack!
I'd grade it a 64+
Nice coin but lack of luster compared to the 65 GSA may hold it back a bit
Hard to grade from pictures
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I talk with all the dealers who specialize in GSA’s and they all pay less for PCGS graded GSA’s and it is because of the looser grading standards. IMO I find this also to be true. My main collection is in GSA dollars and has been for some time. I have looked at many ,many coins to come to this conclusion.
Rainbow Stars
I once had a GSA collector tell me that if I had this GSA coin in a NGC holder he would give me a better price for it he offered me $3500 but I thought it was a good price but a bit soft so I sent it to auction and it was crazy how much I rec for it even thought all the NGC guy's kept telling me it needs to be in a NGC holder to get good money it sold for $12K + juice in the PCGS holder, This is the coin I'm talking about, it cost me $800.
Hoard the keys.
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Collector, occasional seller
The MOST beautiful Morgan I've ever seen. Thank you for sharing!
The GSA considered any of the CC coins with toning not to be uncirculated. That's why if you find a GSA CC dollar with even a small amount of toning, it will be in a "circulated" holder.
I think the coin is a 64, but CC coins are given a little grace, especially dollars and gold. So, it may just end up in a 65 holder.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Well it took some time but it's on it's way back in a oversize MS65 holder, Thanks for all the looks and guesses kind of hard not having the coin in hand but some wore right on
, I thought I lost my eye for a bit but I was on target.
Hoard the keys.
That is one of the cleaner GSA coins I have seen. All of mine look like Liberty went a few rounds in a razor fight and lost.
Better chance for that lofty 65 grade in PCGS than in a NGC banded one
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GOOD LOOKING! MS64/65
I would give it a 64 based on the "cheek chatter".
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What is the grade on that 1881?
nice, I was thinking it would come back as a
1884 - CC
Very nice example, one to be proud of, who cares what the grading services think of it...why be disappointed if it doesn't garner the level you think it should be, enjoy the moment! Good luck anyways for a nice 64+
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I'm guessing 63 slight chance for a 64.
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Looks like a really nice coin, hard to find any bad on the reverse. Agree with the 65 grade
I just saw this thread. From the first set of pix my first impression was 64/65. Nice coin! I'm glad you got the 65.
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What is the cost to get a GSA Dollar holdered by PCGS?
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The Trueview certainly does the coin no favors.
That's a 64 at best. No + just a straight 64. The only way you'll see a + on this one is as a 63+.