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What do you think of my new GSA?

Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 3, 2017 1:15AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I walked in saw it bang it's mine, Will be going in for grading next week anyone want to take a poke at what it will come back as?






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  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    WOW what a beauty! I think it will grade at least 65

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64 perhaps 65

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  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it depends on if you are sending it to our host or ATS. I think NGC would easily go 65 with a chance at a 66 on it (They really seem to go easy on GSA's. Our host I believe would grade it a 65 possibly a 64/64+ on a bad day.

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  • SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin! Why grade it? Seems awesome the way it is....if you do, my thoughts lie in the direction of 64+/low 65.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64+

  • Babboonbobo69Babboonbobo69 Posts: 85 ✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2017 6:14AM

    Can these still be graded in GSA holder? Like I’ve mentioned I’ve been out of this for about 14 years and don’t know now.

    I agree with the conscenses that it will grade 64+

  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jtlee321 said:
    I think it depends on if you are sending it to our host or ATS. I think NGC would easily go 65 with a chance at a 66 on it (They really seem to go easy on GSA's. Our host I believe would grade it a 65 possibly a 64/64+ on a bad day.

    I would reverse those numbers. NGC is much more conservative than you think and especially for the past year..... It's a 65 at NGC IMO, 65+ at PCGS.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS64+ A lot of chatter on the cheek, neck and up by BUS..... Cheers, RickO

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd guess a 64+, maybe a shot at 65 !!! ;)

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,913 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like it's a very nice MS-64. Oddly enough I don't think that the GSA thought it was Unc. when they sold it because the holder is not marked as such.

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  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it. 64

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65 and NGC is tough on these lately.

  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well will see I'm just going to guess MS66 maybe a + just because it's my coin and if you own it you can bump it a point or two looks real nice in hand.




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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let me take some more pic then maybe I can get it to a MS67...



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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,693 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would see it as 64 obverse and 65+ reverse.


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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Are the scratches on the cheek, or on the holder?

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I got this GSA into a 65 holder last month if that is any help asa a basis for reference:

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  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2017 8:50AM

    @Babboonbobo69 said:
    Can these still be graded in GSA holder? Like I’ve mentioned I’ve been out of this for about 14 years and don’t know now.

    I agree with the conscenses that it will grade 64+

    Yes. NGC and ANACS put a sticker on the GSA holder while PCGS has a large slab that encapsulates the entire GSA slab. No matter where you send it it stays in it's original holder now unlike earlier when PCGS cracked and put "GSA" on the holder.

    I think it's a 65/65+

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Boosibri said:
    I got this GSA into a 65 holder last month if that is any help asa a basis for reference:

    YUCK! was my first impression, but if I read the ANA's grading chart the fits the grade far as marks.

  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2017 9:14AM

    That's a nice dollar a little light strike you can see it in the hair, But a nice GSA we all need to remember they where in bags not roll's and in the 1800's that was a long time ago and how far we come.

    @grip said:
    Are the scratches on the cheek, or on the holder?

    No it's in the coin. But I see it in a lot of the 84's may have been in the die or a coin planchet flaw.



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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2017 9:03AM

    @Insider2 I bought it for $300 in England. It is what it is.

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    YUCK! was my first impression, but if I read the ANA's grading chart the fits the grade far as marks.

    If you don't like the 85-CC, you would HATE the 84-CC under these same lighting conditions. The 85-CC is hands down a 65.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wabbit2313 said: "If you don't like the 85-CC, you would HATE the 84-CC under these same lighting conditions. The 85-CC is hands down a 65."

    Disagree! My first impression of the OP's coin was "wow, very nice." My FIRST impression of the 85-CC was "Yuck, too many hits all over the place!" Then, I revised my "gut" grade from "Yuck - no way an MS-65" to possibly OK for that grade as blazing luster is very important and ANA Standards allow for minor hits in the PFA.

    The fields are nicer on the OP's coin but there is chatter up the face and roller marks. Both coins have a shot at '65 due to CC luster. The 85-CC has less of a chance due to its value in that grade.

    BTW, I examine coins in all types of light so I tend to ignore its effects in an image. Heck, with a little rotation and tipping we can make the 85-cc look like a "gem" even in that bright light. :p

  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    @Wabbit2313 said: "If you don't like the 85-CC, you would HATE the 84-CC under these same lighting conditions. The 85-CC is hands down a 65."

    Disagree! My first impression of the OP's coin was "wow, very nice." My FIRST impression of the 85-CC was "Yuck, too many hits all over the place!" Then, I revised my "gut" grade from "Yuck - no way an MS-65" to possibly OK for that grade as blazing luster is very important and ANA Standards allow for minor hits in the PFA.

    The fields are nicer on the OP's coin but there is chatter up the face and roller marks. Both coins have a shot at '65 due to CC luster. The 85-CC has less of a chance due to its value in that grade.

    BTW, I examine coins in all types of light so I tend to ignore its effects in an image. Heck, with a little rotation and tipping we can make the 85-cc look like a "gem" even in that bright light. :p

    One thing to consider is the 85 images are hiding nothing while the 84 could be hiding plenty as the images aren't as high of quality. (not implying OP is intentionally trying to hide anything just that the 85's images are better)

  • metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,600 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Boy, a few ticks on the cheek from a 66. I'll go 64+++ or 65

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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How about these pic any better?





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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2017 1:20PM

    I will go against the crowd here but I see it no better than MS63+ / MS64 :o

    I know it is a "CC" but still,,,,,

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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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  • tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64, 65 on a good day.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2017 3:28PM

    I'm split between 64 or 65.

    I hope you get a 65, and that's my guess.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One other thing to consider. AFAIK, NGC does not guarantee the grade of CC dollars in the case with the grading label on the outside - so, more chance at a higher grade (deserved or not) to make the customer happy! :)

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2017 5:50PM

    @Insider2 said:
    NGC does not guarantee the grade of CC dollars in the case with the grading label on the outside - so, more chance at a higher grade (deserved or not) to make the customer happy! :)

    Wrong again!

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With the new images, I still stick with 65. The neck marks are in the focal area and will hold it back.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2017 6:02PM

    You may wish to check on this. AFAIK, that policy was changed. Additionally, right or wrong, I feel the tone of your post reveals some sort of insecurity or animosity toward me. :smiley:

    LOL, I see you just edited your post. Get over it, I'm a wannabe here also. B)

  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am thinking 64

  • ParlousJoeParlousJoe Posts: 451 ✭✭✭

    I'm thinking a 64 as well, maybe a plus

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is my latest Morgan MS 64

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reverse; I think mine is under graded.....

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Type2 said:
    How about these pic any better?



    a second thought after seeing the close up observe; 64?

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it as a 64.

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice coin!...MS 65.

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Shot 5.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A very respectable coin, no matter what today grade is :smile:
    Congrats on the pickup :smile:

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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Type2 said:
    Well will see I'm just going to guess MS66 maybe a + just because it's my coin and if you own it you can bump it a point or two looks real nice in hand.


    Agreed, ownership is worth a point or two in the grade

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  • nagsnags Posts: 831 ✭✭✭✭

    65

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    first thought, 64.
    second thought, 65.
    third and final thought, 64.

  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    This is my latest Morgan MS 64

    Definitely an example of an image that's hiding literally everything. You can't pick out one bag mark from your image and there have to be multiple to warrant a 64, they're not accidentally grading a 67+ as a 64. So it may be undergraded just impossible to field a guess with those images.

    Nice looking coin regardless though

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PhilLynott said:

    @Paradisefound said:
    This is my latest Morgan MS 64

    Definitely an example of an image that's hiding literally everything. You can't pick out one bag mark from your image and there have to be multiple to warrant a 64, they're not accidentally grading a 67+ as a 64. So it may be undergraded just impossible to field a guess with those images.

    Nice looking coin regardless though

    I could not find anything better looking than yours on eBay except those $$$$ MS65-65
    Please let us know how it grades.....

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