1838 Capped Bust Half Dollar - What do you think? (PCGS) (Grade revealed)

oih82w8 · January 16, 2018 8:47AM

I recently picked up this "hole filler" for my 7070 Type Set and wanted to see what the forum members had to say about her in comparison to PCGS.

Thank you for your interest and comments!

lkeigwin · January 16, 2018 8:59AM

Looks like a nice XF45. Congrats!
Lance.

logger7 · January 16, 2018 9:31AM

I was thinking VF, can't see any luster, but wear is not bad.

Treashunt · January 16, 2018 9:44AM

XF, but possibly cleaned

golden · January 16, 2018 9:49AM

XF here.

Flatwoods · January 16, 2018 10:06AM

I said 40.

TommyType · January 16, 2018 10:08AM

I'd say approaching XF-40, if not fully that.

I got my Graham book last night, and was trying to attribute my '37, '38, and '39 coins. Great fun, (and eyestrain), since the die differences are MUCH less significant for the reeded edge halves than the lettered edge.

Immediately, I noticed the strong repunching on the second 8 in your date, with the remnants of the first attempt appearing below. I seem to recall that variety in the book....so I'll give you that attribution and Graham number when I get home tonight, unless someone beats me to it.

TomB · January 16, 2018 1:42PM

I imagine it is in a PCGS EF40 holder, but the surfaces appear to have been washed a bit in the past to clean them up.

kaz · January 16, 2018 3:29PM

I'd guess 40, nice looking coin.

CWT1863 · January 16, 2018 5:01PM

XF-40

DIMEMAN · January 16, 2018 5:33PM

I see repunching on the 8.

Jimnight · January 16, 2018 5:47PM

Nice coin!.. XF-40

TommyType · January 16, 2018 7:39PM

@TommyType said:
...so I'll give you that attribution and Graham number when I get home tonight, unless someone beats me to it.

Well, it's my decidedly unprofessional opinion that you have a GR-16, rated as an R-4, (121 to 160 exist).

"Another scarce variety that will take some persistent searching to find a nice, original coin. One of the "naked eye" varieties, the recut second 8 can be identified easily, even without a loop (sic)."

There you go. Another reason to like it.

mannie gray · January 17, 2018 12:31AM

45 details, cleaned

Boosibri · January 17, 2018 4:34AM

Washed out EF. Hole filler as you say

FranklinHalfAddict · January 17, 2018 7:10AM

I’m assuming since you’re wondering what everyone thinks about the coin compared to pcgs that pcgs had an issue with it? Maybe they thought it was cleaned?
Regardless of what pcgs said, I would love to have that in my type set!
Very nice looking coin.

ricko · January 17, 2018 7:15AM

Very nice looking 40..... That may have had a mild dip in the past... but I would be happy with a coin like that... Cheers, RickO

grip · January 17, 2018 7:21AM

40 cleaned, lifeless. But good hole filler as said.

oih82w8 · January 17, 2018 7:22AM

@FranklinHalfAddict said:
I’m assuming since you’re wondering what everyone thinks about the coin compared to pcgs that pcgs had an issue with it? Maybe they thought it was cleaned?
Regardless of what pcgs said, I would love to have that in my type set!
Very nice looking coin.

No, PCGS did not have an issue with it. The purpose of this type of thread is to 1), show off new acquisitions 2), allow forum members to give their two cents worth of comments on grade and overall observations and 3). to discuss what others see that others may not. An example is that some indicate that there is evidence of cleaning, while others are thinking that it could grade as high as XF or VF and some give their justification as to why.

An image can tell the viewer so much and another image of the same coin can tell a different story.

"If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking." G.S. Patton

TommyType · January 17, 2018 9:55AM

I think a lot of circulated coins suffer when dinner plate sized photos are taken.

Is there field chatter and dings and scrapes? YES. It's a circulated coin!! That doesn't mean it wasn't cleaned...maybe. But I don't think the cleaning, (if there ever was a conscious effort to clean it), is obvious.

The coin looks pretty wholesome on my phone, in a more size representative format.

johnny9434 · January 17, 2018 11:54AM

ill go with an xf 40 as well. im wondering about a cleaning as well, just saying

oih82w8 · January 18, 2018 7:09AM

I am a little early for the customary 48 hours, but Phil's imagery shows this coin in a much better light;

PCGS XF45

BillJones · January 18, 2018 7:32AM

The obverse is close to EF-40, but the reverse is a bit less. I would grade it VF-30. As for the "washed out" comments, it is a circulated 170 year old coin, and most of them have had something done to them over the years. I don't think that cleaning is an issue given the grade.

logger7 · January 18, 2018 7:46AM

I checked out the images on Coinfacts when the grade was not posted, and it looked comparable to a lot of XFs. I guess these don't come with luster in XF.

VanHalen · January 18, 2018 8:27AM

Looks much nicer in Phil's imagery. I'd have gone 40.

TommyType · January 18, 2018 2:02PM

I'm just happy I got the attribution right. (I should probably quit while I'm ahead).

And weren't the Reiver coins all in NGC slabs when they were auctioned off? Or was that just "most of them". Or does PCGS cross some named collections....(slab looks relatively new).

BryceM · January 18, 2018 3:52PM

I was at 35/40 from the first photos. I’d have been at 45/50 from the second, with in-hand luster deciding.

oih82w8 · January 19, 2018 6:08AM

@TommyType said:
I'm just happy I got the attribution right. (I should probably quit while I'm ahead).

And weren't the Reiver coins all in NGC slabs when they were auctioned off? Or was that just "most of them". Or does PCGS cross some named collections....(slab looks relatively new).

The slab does not have the microprinting like the latest version has. I do remember someone saying that the certification numbers being handed out started with 83XXXXXX

There is a set of Reiver Auction Catalogs through Heritage "Heritage Coin Auction #390: The Jules Reiver Collection, Vol. 1-3 Paperback – January 1, 2006" Seemingly all of the ones that I could access, Amazon preview, did indicate NGC holders.

johnny9434 · January 19, 2018 8:24AM

you did well, congrats

1838 Capped Bust Half Dollar - What do you think? (PCGS) (Grade revealed)

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