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PCGS Didn't Like The Color on This Buffalo, What Do You Think of it?

KyleKyle Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I picked this coin up off eBay, back in September and it was sent in with the '81-S morgan I posted the other day. Unfortunately, PCGS didn't like it, so it came back in an Unc Details (questionable color) slab. I'm curious what you think of it.

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it.

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    gonzergonzer Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Toning would look more appropriate on an early Lincoln

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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wonder what the difference is between yours and mine.


    Ken

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    CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know the problem but it looks great in my book.

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    kinda funky color

    Frank

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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't they use sniffers and dowsing wands and all other sorts of secret stuff ?
    Maybe they detected something done to the coin long ago ?
    Not sure but it looks very nice to me.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,506 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The color looks too bright to me, especially above the Buffalo's back and behind the Indian's head. The colors are more subtle on fairlaneman's coin.

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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Op's coin does look brighter but I thought it was just because a Pro took the picture. What I was looking at was the color progression which seems to be the same especially on the reverse.

    Ken

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The color on that Buff does not look at all right to me.....I would evaluate that as an accelerated tarnish coin....The uniformity of the brown/copper color with the recessed rainbow areas are real red flags for me. Cheers, RickO

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    shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since Weimar White and others proved they can copy any color pattern, I can't begin to guess how they decide NT/AT.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not good at judging toning. The "sniffer" comment made by JRocco above might just be what happened.

    I'll bet PCGS has "super secrets" just like the Government does.

    Pete

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    purple is always a tip-off color, too much of it the wrong way usually means AT. though it is a pretty coin the color looks odd.

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,158 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The colors look a little too bold, like possibly enhanced.

    Also, I don't think PCGS applies 'sniffers' to every coin submitted, only those sent in for Secure Plus holdering - unless something has changed.

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    FranklinHalfAddictFranklinHalfAddict Posts: 651 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Something about it just doesn't look "right."

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The buff is missing pink shoes.

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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    High mint state 38's are not very expensive to do a science project on. If you get it right you can make some dough. Get it wrong and ruin a coin.

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    3Legs3Legs Posts: 103 ✭✭

    I've seen many like that in PCGS holders over the years. I don't know why they had a problem with that one.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i love the coin but im none to sure about the color. the jury is still out with me. jmo

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess would be the reverse colors are just to vibrant.

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,828 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It appears they don’t like pink. They shot one of mine down for the same color :D
    It looks just fine to me . Compared some silver eagles that are ridiculously artificially toned in pcgs holders I sure do not understand why this one got shot down. Just venting I guess.

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    CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 6, 2018 10:43AM

    I usually don't like any toned coins but that one looks pretty cool to me. Since I don't buy, sell or study toned coins I couldn't comment on the questionable color but it is one of the more eye appealing examples I've seen.

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    goldengolden Posts: 9,074 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with PCGS.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Crack, dip, re-submit. :joy:

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    SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IMO there is a large amount of AT stuff in both major TPG slabs. Wait a year to 18 months and resubmit.

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,955 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When you play the "color" game you are just rolling the dice. Don't waste any more money by resubmitting this very common date nickel.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    YouYou Posts: 141 ✭✭✭

    I don't like how the color climbs up onto the devices. Look especially at the buffalo's front leg all the way to the left. That green color should not be there.

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    purple on nickel means cooked

    it looks nice, but is not natural

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks pretty nifty to me!

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    toyz4geotoyz4geo Posts: 1,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:
    Saw it in hand and thought it was ok. Might be worth a retry if you really want the holder lol.

    I had a '36-D come back questionable color. Resubmitted and it came back

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    toyz4geotoyz4geo Posts: 1,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It came back as a 65, which I felt was right

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Although I have seen similar colors on 1938-D Buffs, I don't recall seeing them with the color so deep on both sides. If I saw that coin raw I would guess it was enhanced.

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    MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm on the fence.

    image Respectfully, Mark
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    erwindocerwindoc Posts: 4,927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe send it to NGC to see what they think.

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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pink, purple, whatever-this one slabbed perfectly OK for me (MS-64.)


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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Fairlaneman said: "I wonder what the difference is between yours and mine."

    IMO, lot's. Read the posts.

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    TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭

    I think its fine and would resubmit. Im not Buff expert but I have Buffs with similar toning that got straight graded. And I have one with the same greens that got rejected that will go back someday.

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