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I would like to see PCGS adopt three levels of cleaning designations.
Coinstartled
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Eyeing a few key date Morgans that are genuine labeled as "cleaned", It is difficult To discern from the images the degree of damage. Perhaps light medium and harsh would be a good idea to help the online buyer.
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A little cleaned, pretty cleaned, really cleaned
Latin American Collection
I've seen "smoothed"
What is that, lightly buffed?
Look, if the TPGS described the problems correctly no one would buy the coins! besides, they are not in the business of education.
@hickoryridge said: " I've seen "smoothed" What is that, lightly buffed?"
Probably tooled (repaired) surface to remove something. It is an alteration.
@Coinstartled said: "Eyeing a few key date Morgans that are genuine labeled as "cleaned", It is difficult To discern from the images the degree of damage. Perhaps light medium and harsh would be a good idea to help the online buyer."
See above, it ain't going to happen. One TPGS grader told me he enters '"Polished" or "Buffed" into the computer and the finalizer changes the grade to "Ceaned." Every so often the finalizer will put "Harshly Cleaned" on a coin that has been scrubbed to death with steel wool! LOL. Almost any "detail" grade lowers a coin's value.
Will these work?
It looks like NGC is doing away with their purple details holder: https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/6292/details-changes/
They could grade the cleaning too.
a. "Dumb@$$ ruined the coin".
b. "Over-dipped, so-called MS65"
c. "Not quite original, better luck next time $ucker".
But only if we can get a third party company to sticker whether they agree with the cleaning level. Or maybe if there is cleaning upgrade potential.
LOL...LOL... Great thread.
Let's keep it clean!!!
I understand the impossibility of this task, but I would like to see PCGS lead the industry by stepping back to obverse and reverse grades. I know this is a diversive idea, but I believe as smart as Page's people are they could perform this task.
Jim
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Sometimes they do write "harshly cleaned" as seen below (not my coin) and as @Insider2 mentioned.
So there are divisions into two levels.
Awfully cleaned. Like a press release.
Charles III Album
Charles III Portrait Set
Charles IV Album
Charles IV Portrait Set
There is also the polished nomenclature!
Why not use the sandpaper classifications...Very coarse, Medium and Fine....Of course, sandpaper also has grit numbers... but that would be too fine (get it) a classification... If this sounds to professional, then there is always Rubbish, Junk and Market Acceptable. Cheers, RickO
It's not cleaned unless it's Oxicleaned.
They could have special labels available for this nec plus ultra level of cleaned.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars
I thing your on to something. I would like to see
1. Chemical treated
2. Brushed or abrasion
3. other
Best place to buy !
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I think they should follow the market determinations (ebay):
"Lightly cleaned sometime in the past"
"Possibly wiped long ago"
"Cleaned but retoning nicely"
Surgically Clean
Hotel Room Clean
Horse Stable Clean
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I must post my cleaning vid now
https://youtu.be/yX_P8qzdZis
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