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I would like to see PCGS adopt three levels of cleaning designations.

CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 29, 2017 3:29PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Eyeing a few key date Morgans that are genuine labeled as "cleaned", It is difficult To discern from the images the degree of damage. Perhaps light medium and harsh would be a good idea to help the online buyer.

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A little cleaned, pretty cleaned, really cleaned

  • hickoryridgehickoryridge Posts: 226 ✭✭✭

    I've seen "smoothed"
    What is that, lightly buffed?

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Look, if the TPGS described the problems correctly no one would buy the coins! besides, they are not in the business of education. :(

    @hickoryridge said: " I've seen "smoothed" What is that, lightly buffed?"

    Probably tooled (repaired) surface to remove something. It is an alteration.

    @Coinstartled said: "Eyeing a few key date Morgans that are genuine labeled as "cleaned", It is difficult To discern from the images the degree of damage. Perhaps light medium and harsh would be a good idea to help the online buyer."

    See above, it ain't going to happen. One TPGS grader told me he enters '"Polished" or "Buffed" into the computer and the finalizer changes the grade to "Ceaned." Every so often the finalizer will put "Harshly Cleaned" on a coin that has been scrubbed to death with steel wool! LOL. Almost any "detail" grade lowers a coin's value.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Will these work?

    1. Regular cleaning (light dusting; watching soaps).
    2. Deluxe cleaning (includes changing sheets).
    3. Super Monster DMPL cleaning (includes windows and toilet detailing).
  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like NGC is doing away with their purple details holder: https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/6292/details-changes/

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    Will these work?

    1. Regular cleaning (light dusting; watching soaps).
    2. Deluxe cleaning (includes changing sheets).
    3. Super Monster DMPL cleaning (includes windows and toilet detailing).

    @RogerB said:
    Will these work?

    1. Regular cleaning (light dusting; watching soaps).
    2. Deluxe cleaning (includes changing sheets).
    3. Super Monster DMPL cleaning (includes windows and toilet detailing).

    They could grade the cleaning too.

    a. "Dumb@$$ ruined the coin".
    b. "Over-dipped, so-called MS65"
    c. "Not quite original, better luck next time $ucker".

  • DavideoDavideo Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭✭

    But only if we can get a third party company to sticker whether they agree with the cleaning level. Or maybe if there is cleaning upgrade potential.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2017 5:02PM

    LOL...LOL... Great thread.

    Let's keep it clean!!!

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I understand the impossibility of this task, but I would like to see PCGS lead the industry by stepping back to obverse and reverse grades. I know this is a diversive idea, but I believe as smart as Page's people are they could perform this task.
    Jim


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  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 5,552 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2017 5:14PM

    Sometimes they do write "harshly cleaned" as seen below (not my coin) and as @Insider2 mentioned.
    So there are divisions into two levels.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awfully cleaned. Like a press release. :D

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is also the polished nomenclature!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why not use the sandpaper classifications...Very coarse, Medium and Fine....Of course, sandpaper also has grit numbers... but that would be too fine (get it) a classification... If this sounds to professional, then there is always Rubbish, Junk and Market Acceptable. >:);) Cheers, RickO

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,642 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's not cleaned unless it's Oxicleaned.

    They could have special labels available for this nec plus ultra level of cleaned.

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thing your on to something. I would like to see
    1. Chemical treated
    2. Brushed or abrasion
    3. other

    Best place to buy !
    Bronze Associate member

  • dogwooddogwood Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2017 12:09PM

    I think they should follow the market determinations (ebay):
    "Lightly cleaned sometime in the past"
    "Possibly wiped long ago"
    "Cleaned but retoning nicely"

    We're all born MS70. I'm about a Fine 15 right now.
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Surgically Clean

    Hotel Room Clean

    Horse Stable Clean

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I must post my cleaning vid now :smile:

    https://youtu.be/yX_P8qzdZis

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    Bad transactions with : nobody to date

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