@golden said:
I sent the seller a message that it is a very bad fake.
Yes, but it has six bids. Perhaps we should call it "a reasonable facsimile” at least for the general public. Hey, he even shows you the edge. What more can you ask?
I know. A real coin.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Almost as good as this. www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-/322915287142?fromMakeTrack=true
He did not like my message.
His reply...It's funny... ebay doesn't think so and is watching an banning everyone of you that messages me. If you aren't Interested move on
The guy messaged me again saying he had contacted ebay, and they assured him it would not be deleted, and we were all being investigated... lol. Then, poof. Goodbye fake.
For those who have had a bit less experience with the 1854-P Type I gold dollar, here is a genuine example. You can see that the die work is subtlety different.
For those who may have missed it, here are photos of the op's fake coin. I have added them to my "virtual black cabinet."
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@Koinicker said:
That's a very nice example of a contemporary counterfeit G$1. It is nicer than the plate image I have for this variety.
Does anyone have the sellers ebay name they could send me? I would like to see if I can acquire it. Thanks!
My perception is that the op counterfeit is not contemporary. Most of the contemporary pieces I have were not that good, and they often show handling marks.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
There are a wide range of quality contemporary counterfeits. This example is good, but not great, and some are a lot worse looking than this.
So yes, this is definitely a contemporary counterfeit. Further, XRF analysis on these pieces shows it is a brass planchet with gold plating - this example shows most/all of the gold plating intact - which is rare.
Here are three other examples of this same counterfeit gold dollar variety. I've recorded about 6-8 examples of this variety in my census - and surely there are many more out there.
The Philadelphia Mint complained of "gold plated brass" $1 counterfeits. The gold $1 were too small to have any "heft," and were thus easily passed as adulterated (sweated) or counterfeited.
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I sent the seller a message that it is a very bad fake.
Wow, that's bad. My first thought is that it looked like a chocolate coin! Reported.
Yes, but it has six bids. Perhaps we should call it "a reasonable facsimile” at least for the general public. Hey, he even shows you the edge. What more can you ask?
I know. A real coin.
No. It should be called exactly what it is: a counterfeit.
I messaged him, and his response was pretty much.. "well, I AM selling it as-is... "
LOL report time.
Almost as good as this. www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-/322915287142?fromMakeTrack=true
He did not like my message.
His reply...It's funny... ebay doesn't think so and is watching an banning everyone of you that messages me. If you aren't Interested move on
Gone
I missed the fun
Thanks for the heads-up !!!
The guy messaged me again saying he had contacted ebay, and they assured him it would not be deleted, and we were all being investigated... lol. Then, poof. Goodbye fake.
Pic of the counterfeit coin:
For those who have had a bit less experience with the 1854-P Type I gold dollar, here is a genuine example. You can see that the die work is subtlety different.
For those who may have missed it, here are photos of the op's fake coin. I have added them to my "virtual black cabinet."
thanks for the pictures
That's a very nice example of a contemporary counterfeit G$1. It is nicer than the plate image I have for this variety.
Does anyone have the sellers ebay name they could send me? I would like to see if I can acquire it. Thanks!
My perception is that the op counterfeit is not contemporary. Most of the contemporary pieces I have were not that good, and they often show handling marks.
Message sent
There are a wide range of quality contemporary counterfeits. This example is good, but not great, and some are a lot worse looking than this.
So yes, this is definitely a contemporary counterfeit. Further, XRF analysis on these pieces shows it is a brass planchet with gold plating - this example shows most/all of the gold plating intact - which is rare.
Wow...clearly a counterfeit.... thanks for the pictures, it is gone from ebay...... Cheers, RickO
Here are three other examples of this same counterfeit gold dollar variety. I've recorded about 6-8 examples of this variety in my census - and surely there are many more out there.
Great educational discussion
The Philadelphia Mint complained of "gold plated brass" $1 counterfeits. The gold $1 were too small to have any "heft," and were thus easily passed as adulterated (sweated) or counterfeited.
@Koinicker cool counterfeits!
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poof, its gone.