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Robbery: Update **See Photos of Perps**
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I am opting to remove the name of the store where my coins were discovered. I did not initiate this thread to put the store on trial, when personally I would prefer to reserve judgement until more facts are know; rather I just wanted to share the picture of the perps so that others could remain vigilant.
If you have a store, and you are visited by 2 African Men knowledgable about coins who have with them an 8-9yo girl, please be careful:
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You mean these guys knew YOUR coins!
MY COINS FOR SALE AT https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/other/bajjerfans-coins-sale/3876
It seems prudent to again post here a list of what was stolen:
$20 1927 MS-62 PCGS
$20 1914-D MS-63 NGC / Cert.#: 2026670-014
$20 1900 MS-60 PCGS / 1st Gen. Rattler Holder / Cert.#: 09037.60/7174496
$10 1914-D MS-63 NGC / Cert.#: 2055759-001
$10 1907 MS-61 NGC No Motto / Cert.#: 302430-012
$10 1900 MS-63 NGC / Cert.#: 2044759-002
$5 1914-D MS-61 NGC / Cert.#: 696320-015
$5 1834 Fair-2 PCGS (Pop-2) / Cert.#: 81182031-8171
$2.50 1914-D MS-61 NGC / Cert.#: 2041129-002
$2.50 1912 AU-50 (Raw) Antique “Merry Xmas” Box — Red w/ Green Interior
$2.50 1903 $2.50 MS-62 / Cert#: 81182030-7856
$1-Gold 1915-S AU-58 NGC Pan. Pacific / 1973482-007
$1-Gold 1864 MS-60 (Raw) CA Token
$1-Gold 1862 MS-61 ANACS / Cert.#: 2862869
$1-Gold 1853-Cal. AU-55 PCGS / OGH BG-530 / Cert#: 10507.55-4565434
$1-Gold 1851-0 AU-58 NGC Bass Pedigree* / 1270756-003
$.50-Gold 1852-Cal. MS-62 PCGS BG-401 / Cert.#: 10437.62-4607491
$.50-Gold 1852-Cal. MS-61 PCGS BG-407 / Cert.#: 10443.61-18515188
$.50-Gold 1854-Cal. MS-61 PCGS / OGH BG-308 / Cert.#: 10428.61-9447309
$.25-Gold 1856-Cal. MS-63 PCGS BG-229 / Cert.#: 10414.63-60214512
$1.00 1964-D MS-68 (Raw) Carr Restrike
$1.00 1922 MS-63 NGC / 7357.63-7779032
$1.00 1922 MS-61 (Raw) / Cert.#: 7357.63/7779032
RECOVERED!!!! >>$1.00 1903 $1 MS66 PCGS / Cert.# 81182028-7284
$1.00 1900 MS-65 (++) NGC / Fatty** / Cert.#: 506487-022
$1.00 1886 MS-65 PCGS / Cert.#: 81182027-7166
$1.00 1884-O MS-62 PCGS
$1.00 1884-CC MS-65PL PCGS / Cert.# 81182026-7153
$1.00 1883-CC MS-62 (Raw) GSA Box
SOLD ON EBAY>>$1.00 1881-S $1 MS66+ PCGS / 81182032-7130
$0.50 1982-S Proof (Raw) Washington
$0.50 1946 MS-64 (Raw) Iowa
RECOVERED!!!! >>$0.50 1939 MS67 NGC / Cert.#: 1770666-001
$0.50 1936 MS-62 PCGS / OGH Long Island / Cert.#: 9322.62-9297704
$0.50 1936-S MS-64 NGC Bay Bridge / Cert.#: 9254.64-8248114
SOLD ON EBAY>>$0.50 1914 VG-8 (Raw)
$0.50 1900-O G-4 (Raw)
$0.50 1826 AU-58 PCGS / Cert.# 81182025 6143
RECOVERED!!!! >>$0.25 1917 MS-62 / FH PCGS Type 1 / Cert.#: 5707.62-2731453
RECOVERED!!!! >>$0.10 1923 MS-65 / FB NGC / 1770835-001
$0.05 2005 (Flip Autographed by both Designers - Jamie Franki & Joel Iskowitz)
$0.05 1939 MS-67 NGC / Cert.#: 700262-005
RECOVERD!!!! >>$0.05 1938-D MS-66 NGC Type 1 / 2055759-007
RECOVERD!!!! >>$0.05 1913 MS-64 PCGS Type 1 / 3915.64-21244409
SOLD ON EBAY>>$0.05 1900 MS-63 NGC Full Strike / 302342-012
$0.05 HD 1870 G-4 (Raw)
$0.05 1883 MS-60 (Raw)
$0.01 1822 VG-8 (raw)
$0.01 1944 MS-66 Red NGC / Cert.#: 1666423-024
SOLD ON EBAY>>$0.01 1943 MS-66 NGC / Cert.#: 216818-001
$0.01 1909 MS-63 BN (Raw)
$0.01 1900 MS-65 BN ANACS / Cert.#: 2567044
2-Reale Cob 1742 / Bolivia VF (Raw)
100 Korona Hungary Gold / (Raw)
RECOVERED!!!! >>SET: 1946-1964-P-D-S Silver Roosevelt Dimes / Gem Unc. / (Raw) / Large Capitol Plastic Display Holder
SET: Original 1957 Proof Set / (Mint Packaging)
RECOVERED!!!! >>SET: Original 1958 Mint Set / Original Rainbow Toned - Gem Uncirculated / (Raw) / Capitol Plastic 1-Piece Holder
SET: 1972 Proof Set / (Mint Packaging)
SET: 1976-S 40% Silver 3-Piece Proof Set / (Mint Packaging)
SET: 1980-P-D-S SBA Souvinir Set / (Mint Packaging)
SET: 1982 Cayman Proof Set / (Mint Packaging) / (2.88oz Silver Content)
SET: 1984 Swiss Proof Set / (Mint Packaging)
SET: 1999-2007 Silver Proof Sets / (Mint Packaging)
SET: 27-Count 2006-P-D Mint Satin Mint Sets / (Mint Packaging)
Currency:
$20 (Paper) 2005 (Autographed by Designer)
$5 1985 Series - Dead Mint (Raw)
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I must have missed this the first time around. No doubt they must have the individuals name that sold them the coins? Seems like it would be easy enough for the police to make an arrest? You gotta love people who steal for a living and even expose their children to it to pass on the great skill of stealing someone else's hard earned work. Sickening! Sorry you lost a lot of your coins to this crap.
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If you filed a police report before the sale, can’t you get your sold coins back fairly easily?
I’d contact eBay. Whoever bought your coins doesn’t have title to them. They MUST return them. Forward the police report to eBay and let them do their job. You should be able to recover those pieces too.
Oh, BTW, was this a robbery or a burglary? I’m guessing the latter.
I also missed this the first time around.
I' glad there is some progress in the case
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Thieves really irritate me.
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Glad to see some positive movement in the case. I hope you recover more of your coins... all of them if possible. Cheers, RickO
Shouldn't the coin shop have the names of the thieves that sold your coins to them?
I would use all the tools at your disposal, Numismatic Crime/Doug Davis, coin bulletin boards/forums, police reports, etc..
That’s the spirit. Shine the light.
Several people getting perma-banned in this thread lol. Good luck recovering your other coins, OP. I'd call other coin and pawn shops in the area.
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I'm sorry you had to go through this.
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Sorry to hear about this. I hope you get your coins back, I'm sure that took a long time to assemble. Is your homeowners insurance covering anything?
I am curious and don't feel obligated to answer but was this a gun safe that they stole or a smaller, easier to carry safe?
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shady AF to say the least. Every responsible coin store I've been to in IL ALWAYS gets a DL# and info and a SIGNATURE or no sale. The owner/operators who run that store are equally complicit as the thieves, IMO, or, possibly Calif law must be extremely LAX compared to how coin shops and transactions are run in IL.
i am really sorry to hear this. someone broke in my car last week...they didn't get much, but it's creepy...so i can only imagine how you must feel.
it seems like they knew you had coins and targeted you. i mention this because you stated they knew a lot about the coins when they were fencing them; or, do you think they bought the coins from the people who actually stole them?
i wonder because of my car incident. they took my garage door opener and registration. so, i figure they are bundling those together so that whoever comes back knows the address and the opener for it. it may not necessarily be the initial thief who comes back.
anyway, i hope they get caught and you get your things back.
"...or, do you think they bought the coins from the people who actually stole them?"
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I believe this.
The people who broke into my house were really good at breaking into my house. The people who sold my coins were really good at selling coins. I think this points to them being 2 different people.
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The shop that purchased the coins and paid cash without taking a Driver's License photocopy or a sales receipt with a signature double checked by the driver's license should quite honestly be reprimanded for their business practices to the fullest extent.
It makes you wonder what else they are purchasing and selling "under the radar."
The FIRST thing when my LCS goes to buy something from someone they do not know is to make a photocopy of the Driver's License.....
This makes me think...maybe the shop owner/people DID KNOW the perps, and just aren't saying so...means they didn't follow one of the first cardinal rules of running a shop when buying from unfamiliar peoples...
Very sorry to hear.
Maybe, hopefully, any pix you may have will serve as proof of ownership?
How about them bringing the little girl along? Most likely to add legitimacy to the whole thing. Shameful!
My take was that when the coin shop that purchased these coins had been confronted, he said that they seemed like they knew what they had been talking about. it a shame and sad because it could happen to anyone.
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I know how you feel about your coins. I still have coins from when I first started collecting over 50 years ago. The coins have been around for so long that they are like "family".
They mark points in your life.....they remind you of the past. They were there with you.
The loss you feel can never be fully explained.
Pete
Shame that happened. I run by that coin store every week on Del Mar. I've always wanted to stop in. After seeing this thread, I won't be.
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how did they know about your collection?? someone had to tell them, I doubt it was random, especially since you stated that "The shop said these guys knew their coins" in the OP.
"I know how you feel about your coins. I still have coins from when I first started collecting over 50 years ago. The coins have been around for so long that they are like "family".
They mark points in your life.....they remind you of the past. They were there with you.
The loss you feel can never be fully explained.
Pete"
Very well explained.
Thank you for this.
The first coin I found, was the 1923 Mercury dime. I bought it when I was 11. It was the first really coin I owned. Monetary value aside, if I could only get 3 of my coins back, this would have been one of them.
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Would love to get the $2.50 in the Xmas box back, followed by 1914-D $10 Indian.
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I sent the list to Doug Davis as you didn't say whether you had done that.
The cops don't have much in the way of incentives to track down stolen items; you may have to do the footwork yourself or hire a private detective.
Sorry that happened, glad you recovered some, hope you get all back.
My collection is worthless, but I love it and some of the coins have sentimental value.
Around here the coin stores, buy your gold/silver shops and pawn shops are required by law to get a copy of the sellers photo ID and log the coins and hold them for 30 days. I don't know if any or all actually do, but they are suppose to.
Also looking at that image. There are some fantastic camera systems out there now for $500 and up that would have made that image almost HD. I mean you could have counted the nose hairs on the rotten perps.
So sad about the loss, I hope you're able to recoup as much as you can! I also have coins in my 7070 type set that aren't expensive , at all... but quite sentimental to me... the 1964 Kennedy Half I pulled from a roll in the early 70's when I was a kid. I think I cleaned it a couple of times as well... but it has a cherished memory for me.
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See? This is the part of the Hobby that is so important to a lot of collectors. It isn't about maximizing profit, turn around times, or anything business related. It's about a sentimentality and love for collecting.
Even the shabbiest coin in a collection has more value in other ways to individuals who understand the "sentimental" aspect of this Hobby.
We are out there. We always will be.
Pete
My 1923 dime - one the coins I was most sad to lose - and it ended being the first coin I saw again!
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Absolutely!! Case in point... another coin I had in my 7070 is a 1909 IHC in VG8. I also have an AU55 piece I purchased at a Baltimore show not too long ago to replace it... but the VG8 piece came from a coffee can my grandfather used to have during the Depression. When an IHC came in as change, he'd flip it into the can. This is how I started my first ever IHC collection and what got me hooked! I think I was 8 or 9 years old. I'd get rid of other pieces in my 7070 that cost close to $1000 before parting with that one cent from my first collection...
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Sorry to hear about your loss. Hope you recover more of your coins. And a coin shop paying cash with no ID is shady, no matter how you look at it.
I agree. Very bad business practice.
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I'm at a show right now where Doug is handling security. I'll follow up with him, show him this post, and make sure he got it.
Doug and I just reviewed the post and he is aware of it.
Good news. About the coins already sold on eBay, have you asked the coin shop to message the buyers and tell them they unknowingly sold them stolen property and to send them back for a full refund? If they refuse call eBay yourself. You have a police report. What could it hurt.
What is the store's eBay ID?
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In some states it's the law to record transactions as recorded from a valid ID.
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i hope they catch em and put them away for a long time. Sadly I doubt it
This is just horrible. Like being in a house when it burns to the ground and just getting out in your skivies. Or coming home to find your home (and coins) engulfed in flames. Both have happened to me and it just sucks. However, please understand that this was not a robbery. A robbery is when someone puts a gun to your face to take your stuff. This was a burglary. But, it still sucks, no matter.
I do hope you find the perps and get some or most back.
bob
Hi All --
Thanks for the continuing concern. To reply to a few things being said here:
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I have been in touch with Doug since the time this happened. He saw this thread the day I posted it. Although I regret the circumstances, I appreciate meeting someone who cares so much about our hobby, and who is committed to making a difference.
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Regarding the store that has my coins, I'd prefer not to weigh in with any personal opinions, rather I am only concerned with reporting the facts of what happened so that others may remain vigilent, namely for their own safety, but also in case anyone sees anything that might lead to the apprehension of the criminals who sold my coins and possibly the recovery of others that are still unaccounted for.
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There is an LAPD Detective working my case, who I feel really good about. I know he is doing what he can to try to catch these guys (or some of them.) My understanding is that when it comes to recovering coins sold on Ebay, it is his jurisdiction to see what can be done. Hopefully things can work out.
I hope to share more later as the story continues to unfold -
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That is disgusting.
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◦California State Law dictates that stores must take down ID in such transactions but when I was there with the Detective, the store said that they did not do so.
what are the penalties for non-compliance with this state law?
Here is a link to their store on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/usr/hrcpm?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
If it is all proven that they are selling stolen goods without clear title you can just keep building your case, I'm sure that the legal system will be fully on your side with additional recovery expenses tacked on for good measure. Just keep tabs and share the information with the detective and lawyer.
HRCPM sickens me.....I'd bet so much of the stuff they are selling are stolen but don't care, they just want to make a profit.
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Is there legal recourse against the store? By not following the law regarding purchases (ID and btw is there a legal hold period like a pawn shop?) are they not culpable?
They clearly have the ability to identify the eBay buyers and can obtain a return (assuming a cooperative buyer not wanting to have a coin without a clear title). But by declining to do so they are retaining the financial gain that properly belongs to the OP. If they can't get the coin back then the OP owns the funds.
I don't see they are members of the PNG, but does the ANA want them advertising their life membership?
I would add an attorney to your list of people to talk with while waiting for the detective to pursue his investigation. Not just for the original thieves but also the person/shop who then improperly obtained the coins and then profited from their sale. As a store owner they may have some assets that are not judgement proof, assuming they aren't also criminally liable too.
edited to add: Using google-fu I found a code/law/whatever relating to secondhand dealers and coin dealers. Specifically, there are information gathering and reporting requirements as dealers of such.
Cal Bus & Prof Code § 21628
"(b) (1) When a secondhand dealer complies with all of the provisions of this section, he or she shall be deemed to have received from the seller or pledger adequate evidence of authority to sell or pledge the property for all purposes included in this article, and Division 8 (commencing with Section 21000) of the Financial Code."
leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=BPC§ionNum=21628
I'm guessing by failing to follow the law they can't claim they had 'adequate evidence of authority to sell or pledge the property'.
We need a lawyer to weigh in!