Difficult to make a call without seeing the coin in-hand. The "dirt" marks are distracting and could be hiding some wear. If I had to guess I'd say MS-62.
AU-58 based primarily on the light scratch on Miss Liberty’s Upper Cheekbone area, and what I interpret to be very light circulation rub on the Eagle’s Neck & head.
Stuart
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I'm having trouble with the photo. Looks like an old grey-scale you might see printed in a book. Sucked all the life out of the coin(?) Sure appear pretty mark free, though....
@Stuart said: "AU-58 based primarily on the light scratch on Miss Liberty’s Upper Cheekbone area, and what I interpret to be very light circulation rub on the Eagle’s Neck & head."
No, argument here. Take this as just an opinion - given as if you and I were in a grading class as that's where I got this idea. IMO the ONLY thing that can take coin from MS to AU is friction from whatever the cause. Therefore, a scratch, a hole, a test mark on the rim, etc. on a coin do not affect its "technical" grade. Yeah, all those affect the coin's value so very beat-up true Unc's are often called AU - that only counts in the "real world" outside of class.
While I see the tiny amount of friction you point out on the reverse, a much larger area of rub where the luster is gone is on the cheek under the dirt.
IMO, due to the value of this coin, it is graded AU-58 and this date in such a high grade must be very difficult to find. If it were raw, I'd grade it AU-58 and price it as a MS-63. I'll bet someone would buy it at my price just to clean it up!
@dogwood said: "Poor image. Unable to see luster although I assume it's full of it. 58."
I would not go so far as to call the image poor. The image is not perfect but it's pretty good - just a little washed out. Look at the fields. All the "white" you see is the luster. Start at 5 o'clock. You can trase the luster across the field and up on to the neck until it hits the gray worn spot.
The technical grade might be AU-58 if there is any luster under the dirt or whatever it is, but to me the market grade would be AU-50 because it is "esthetically challenged.”
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Late to the party... would have said 58..... Not sure what the 'dirt' is on the obverse. I would have given it an acetone bath... likely covering some wear though.... Cheers, RickO
@ricko said: "...would have said 58..... Not sure what the 'dirt' is on the obverse. I would have given it an acetone bath... likely covering some wear though...."
Agree with your grade; however, no acetone! Dirt covering a luster loss looks much better than a dull, gray, patch of friction in a prime focal area!
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Difficult to make a call without seeing the coin in-hand. The "dirt" marks are distracting and could be hiding some wear. If I had to guess I'd say MS-62.
Not a coin that I would want.
If they were just giving it away, I'm sure I could find a spot in my collection.
My initial impression was 63.
Me neither, but you don't see coins like this for sale but once in a blue moon.
I wanted one & had to settle one in an anacs holder.
63 and better than most people could ever hope for
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
....& it looks original
I think it could be "cleaned up"
Looks NICE to me. A tough date; I'll guess 63.
AU-58 based primarily on the light scratch on Miss Liberty’s Upper Cheekbone area, and what I interpret to be very light circulation rub on the Eagle’s Neck & head.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
I'm having trouble with the photo. Looks like an old grey-scale you might see printed in a book. Sucked all the life out of the coin(?) Sure appear pretty mark free, though....
Poor image. Unable to see luster although I assume it's full of it.
58.
a 58.
BHNC #203
62
I grade it AU-58, but it's probably in an MS-62 or 63 holder.
@Stuart said: "AU-58 based primarily on the light scratch on Miss Liberty’s Upper Cheekbone area, and what I interpret to be very light circulation rub on the Eagle’s Neck & head."
No, argument here. Take this as just an opinion - given as if you and I were in a grading class as that's where I got this idea. IMO the ONLY thing that can take coin from MS to AU is friction from whatever the cause. Therefore, a scratch, a hole, a test mark on the rim, etc. on a coin do not affect its "technical" grade. Yeah, all those affect the coin's value so very beat-up true Unc's are often called AU - that only counts in the "real world" outside of class.
While I see the tiny amount of friction you point out on the reverse, a much larger area of rub where the luster is gone is on the cheek under the dirt.
IMO, due to the value of this coin, it is graded AU-58 and this date in such a high grade must be very difficult to find. If it were raw, I'd grade it AU-58 and price it as a MS-63. I'll bet someone would buy it at my price just to clean it up!
@dogwood said: "Poor image. Unable to see luster although I assume it's full of it. 58."
I would not go so far as to call the image poor. The image is not perfect but it's pretty good - just a little washed out. Look at the fields. All the "white" you see is the luster. Start at 5 o'clock. You can trase the luster across the field and up on to the neck until it hits the gray worn spot.
The technical grade might be AU-58 if there is any luster under the dirt or whatever it is, but to me the market grade would be AU-50 because it is "esthetically challenged.”
Personally not a coin I would buy, but a lot of details are present!
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Technically AU58. With negative eye appealing, my guess will be AU55 (or AU53).
55-58
My thoughts also.
Apparently the "dirt" does cover up wear. A good example of why grading by photos can be dangerous.
Late to the party... would have said 58..... Not sure what the 'dirt' is on the obverse. I would have given it an acetone bath... likely covering some wear though.... Cheers, RickO
@ricko said: "...would have said 58..... Not sure what the 'dirt' is on the obverse. I would have given it an acetone bath... likely covering some wear though...."
Agree with your grade; however, no acetone! Dirt covering a luster loss looks much better than a dull, gray, patch of friction in a prime focal area!
@Insider2 You are correct... I just have an aversion to dirt.... I can tolerate wear although graders do not like it. Cheers, RickO