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GTG - 1896-S barber quarter, caution: "dirty" obv

KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Difficult to make a call without seeing the coin in-hand. The "dirt" marks are distracting and could be hiding some wear. If I had to guess I'd say MS-62.

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    goldengolden Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a coin that I would want.

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    KyleKyle Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @golden said:
    Not a coin that I would want.

    If they were just giving it away, I'm sure I could find a spot in my collection.

    My initial impression was 63.

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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 9, 2017 3:24PM

    @golden said:
    Not a coin that I would want.

    Me neither, but you don't see coins like this for sale but once in a blue moon.

    I wanted one & had to settle one in an anacs holder.

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63 and better than most people could ever hope for

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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:
    63 and better than most people could ever hope for

    ....& it looks original B)

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it could be "cleaned up"

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    JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks NICE to me. A tough date; I'll guess 63.

    I love them Barber Halves.....
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    StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU-58 based primarily on the light scratch on Miss Liberty’s Upper Cheekbone area, and what I interpret to be very light circulation rub on the Eagle’s Neck & head.


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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm having trouble with the photo. Looks like an old grey-scale you might see printed in a book. Sucked all the life out of the coin(?) Sure appear pretty mark free, though....

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    dogwooddogwood Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭

    Poor image. Unable to see luster although I assume it's full of it.
    58.

    We're all born MS70. I'm about a Fine 15 right now.
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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    a 58.

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    jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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    shishshish Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I grade it AU-58, but it's probably in an MS-62 or 63 holder.

    Liberty Seated and Trade Dollar Specialist
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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stuart said: "AU-58 based primarily on the light scratch on Miss Liberty’s Upper Cheekbone area, and what I interpret to be very light circulation rub on the Eagle’s Neck & head."

    No, argument here. Take this as just an opinion - given as if you and I were in a grading class as that's where I got this idea. IMO the ONLY thing that can take coin from MS to AU is friction from whatever the cause. Therefore, a scratch, a hole, a test mark on the rim, etc. on a coin do not affect its "technical" grade. Yeah, all those affect the coin's value so very beat-up true Unc's are often called AU - that only counts in the "real world" outside of class. :wink:

    While I see the tiny amount of friction you point out on the reverse, a much larger area of rub where the luster is gone is on the cheek under the dirt.

    IMO, due to the value of this coin, it is graded AU-58 and this date in such a high grade must be very difficult to find. If it were raw, I'd grade it AU-58 and price it as a MS-63. I'll bet someone would buy it at my price just to clean it up!

    @dogwood said: "Poor image. Unable to see luster although I assume it's full of it. 58."

    I would not go so far as to call the image poor. The image is not perfect but it's pretty good - just a little washed out. Look at the fields. All the "white" you see is the luster. Start at 5 o'clock. You can trase the luster across the field and up on to the neck until it hits the gray worn spot.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The technical grade might be AU-58 if there is any luster under the dirt or whatever it is, but to me the market grade would be AU-50 because it is "esthetically challenged.”

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    KellenCoinKellenCoin Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭✭

    Personally not a coin I would buy, but a lot of details are present!

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    jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭

    Technically AU58. With negative eye appealing, my guess will be AU55 (or AU53).

    an SLQ and Ike dollars lover
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55-58

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @shish said:
    I grade it AU-58, but it's probably in an MS-62 or 63 holder.

    My thoughts also.

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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Apparently the "dirt" does cover up wear. A good example of why grading by photos can be dangerous.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Late to the party... would have said 58..... Not sure what the 'dirt' is on the obverse. I would have given it an acetone bath... likely covering some wear though.... Cheers, RickO

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said: "...would have said 58..... Not sure what the 'dirt' is on the obverse. I would have given it an acetone bath... likely covering some wear though...."

    Agree with your grade; however, no acetone! Dirt covering a luster loss looks much better than a dull, gray, patch of friction in a prime focal area!

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 You are correct... I just have an aversion to dirt.... I can tolerate wear although graders do not like it. Cheers, RickO

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