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The First MS68 S-Mint WLH

JBNJBN Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Certainly a very nice example with color.

As to MS68, well, certainly we have our first PCGS example from San Francisco.

https://pcgs.com/cert/84765670

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very pretty example! As LindeDad mentions, this series is tough because finding examples that are pleasing and have a good strike is extremely difficult. There are a few dates(for birth year sets) I would like to have one day and I recall the struggles when I used to look for them.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,716 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice!
    I wonder if this is a recent 'upgrade', or a new to the market coin?

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  • AmazonXAmazonX Posts: 680 ✭✭✭✭

    What's not to like? Beautiful coin.

  • BarberFanaticBarberFanatic Posts: 671 ✭✭✭✭

    I'd be curious to know who the submitter was.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2, 2017 1:42PM

    Plenty of room for expansion with over 200 MS67's waiting in the wings. Interesting that in July 1989, after 3 years of submissions (and approx 800 1939-s Walkers)....only 2 graded MS67.

    There was an NGC MS68 from 2015 that brought $12,900....now in a PCGS 67+ holder.

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  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's very pretty. If I had sent that in: 66+. ;)

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TLeverage said:

    @LindeDad said:
    With no left hand at all?

    Well in some cultures they cut off a hand for theft. Implying that whoever buys this coin is going to have a lot of money taken out of their pocket.

    Actually it's the right as the left is never allowed in the food bowel. As the left is used for certain bodily function that I need not mention here.

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  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AllCoinsRule said:
    My opinion is pcgs wants the top pop of every single date to be just a few coins so they go for a ton of money (and encourage people to keep submitting the close calls over and over again).

    Did you know Jaime that the first MS69FB Roosevelt was just popped in over 15+ yrs and is on eBay right now? A 2015-P at that. Usually the D mint is a better strike.


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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice coin. A little short on design definition.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LindeDad said:

    @TLeverage said:

    @LindeDad said:
    With no left hand at all?

    Well in some cultures they cut off a hand for theft. Implying that whoever buys this coin is going to have a lot of money taken out of their pocket.

    Actually it's the right as the left is never allowed in the food bowel. As the left is used for certain bodily function that I need not mention here.

    "food bowel"? I think you let the subject of the second sentence ooze into the first, LOL.

  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I actually like the second 67+ coin in PCGS Coinfacts better than this 68.

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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    This is probably one of those coin you need to see in person in order to see just how well this coin has been preserved. The images probably just doesn't give this coin it's dues.

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  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll take it.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2, 2017 10:36PM

    I am conflicted. The surfaces are mark free and the eye appeal is solid. The strike is mediocre, but that is to be expected from a San Francisco minted piece of the era. Aside from the strike, I have no problem with the MS68 grade; however, I think the weakness would bring it down to MS67+ for me personally.

  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Eh, I dunno about 68?

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    Very nice!
    I wonder if this is a recent 'upgrade', or a new to the market coin?

    It looks familiar, but my memory could be faulty and I could be confusing it with a similar coin.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin. Very nice

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coin is awesome. The luster is most likely not showing up in that image.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice, but not that nice; for the grade or price guide value.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm sure no expert on walkers but let me say this. With not all of the details showing boldly I think I gotta disagree with the grade assigned. JMHO

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  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My opinion is pcgs wants the top pop of every single date to be just a few coins so they go for a ton of money (and encourage people to keep submitting the close calls over and over again).

    Yup - there is method to the madness...

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2017 8:02AM

    For a superb gem 1939-s, look at the other dozen or more 67, and 67+ examples on Coinfacts. Some of them are considerably sharper in the hand/head detail.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,825 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin is too weak in the center of the obverse to grade MS-68 in my opinion.

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  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin... weak head.. another crackout ?

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  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2017 9:35AM

    Wonder why the "S" Walkers had weak strikes .. like the 41 -s
    Years down the road ...some dealer when offered to buy ,,will say this one is over graded maybe a 67+

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  • jerseycat101jerseycat101 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am ok with the 68 grade. The coin is devoid of any distracting marks as far as I can tell. If thats not a 68, i don't know what is.

  • Vbowling299Vbowling299 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭

    Not for me at that grade

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  • brg5658brg5658 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The lack of head detail alone should preclude the 68 ultra gem grade.

    Color "bumped" 67 in my opinion.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2017 12:44PM

    Here's a CAC MS67 with a proper strike on head, hand and skirt lines.

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/a/1254-3918.s

    I'm assuming this MS68 has killer luster and eye appeal. Only issue would be strike and/or hidden marks. One would think the finest graded would have a strike commensurate with the grade, especially since there's no Full Head/Hand grading/price guide distinction on this coins. If this were an SLQ it could deservedly get the MS68 flat head designation all day long...and bring a fraction of Full Head money. Since WLH's don't have a Full Strike designation....that only leaves the assigned grade as a means for separation.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AllCoinsRule said:
    No, this one... I would have bought it for sure had I just not already bought one (which is just barely not as good on the hand).

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/walking-liberty-half-dollars/1939-s-50c-ms67-pcgs-cac/a/1254-3917.s?ic3=ViewItem-Auction-Archive-PreviousPricesHeritage-081514#

    That looks fine except the centers. From lower skirt line to hand, and then from eagle's foot to upper breast there are dozens of chatter marks and ticks, and scrapes across eagle's breast. It's CAC'd so I guess ok for MS67.

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  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, but the small mark on the sun bothers me. Now that I've seen it, I can't not notice it. I personally would expect a completely mark free sun on a 68.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2017 3:40PM

    @jtlee321 said:
    Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, but the small mark on the sun bothers me. Now that I've seen it, I can't not notice it. I personally would expect a completely mark free sun on a 68.

    Then those half dozen cuts across the lower left wing feathers should bother you even more. The more you look....the more you find.

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  • AblinkyAblinky Posts: 628 ✭✭✭

    Looks like a great coin, but then again I guess all you people talking it down must have seen it in hand and not just making assumptions from a picture...

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @roadrunner said:

    @jtlee321 said:
    Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, but the small mark on the sun bothers me. Now that I've seen it, I can't not notice it. I personally would expect a completely mark free sun on a 68.

    Then those half dozen cuts across the lower left wing feathers should bother you even more. The more you look....the more you find.

    I didn't even notice those at first.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would bet that this coin looks much better in hand than this pic shows.......beautiful coin!

  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm sure the in-hand eye appeal is stellar, but 68 seems like a half step too far. Not an egregious example of overgrading, but an example that would seem to fit the 67+ grade perfectly.

  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @roadrunner said:

    @jtlee321 said:
    Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, but the small mark on the sun bothers me. Now that I've seen it, I can't not notice it. I personally would expect a completely mark free sun on a 68.

    Then those half dozen cuts across the lower left wing feathers should bother you even more. The more you look....the more you find.

    That is very true. The more you look the more you will find. They do bother me to an extent, but I think the one on the sun bothers me the most as it's alway's one of the first places I look.

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The fields are exceptionally clean but I don't like the chatter on the hip or the average to below average strike for this issue.

    I think that it was bumped for color that is unspectacular at best.

    I'll keep my MS 66, as I think it has a better strike than this coin with smooth surfaces and decent luster, too.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While certainly a nice Walker (a personal favorite design), the apparently weak strike (even under the extreme magnification) bothers me - the left hand is only barely visible.... along with the contact marks on the sun and the wing... well, for that grade - and money - I would expect - and demand - better. Cheers, RickO

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 4, 2017 7:30AM

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  • BarberFanaticBarberFanatic Posts: 671 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 4, 2017 9:47AM

    @jtlee321 said:
    Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, but the small mark on the sun bothers me. Now that I've seen it, I can't not notice it. I personally would expect a completely mark free sun on a 68.

    @roadrunner said:

    @jtlee321 said:
    Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, but the small mark on the sun bothers me. Now that I've seen it, I can't not notice it. I personally would expect a completely mark free sun on a 68.

    Then those half dozen cuts across the lower left wing feathers should bother you even more. The more you look....the more you find.

    @ricko said:
    While certainly a nice Walker (a personal favorite design), the apparently weak strike (even under the extreme magnification) bothers me - the left hand is only barely visible.... along with the contact marks on the sun and the wing... well, for that grade - and money - I would expect - and demand - better. Cheers, RickO

    As I said earlier in the thread, I'd be curious to know who the submitter was. 'Cuz if I submit that coin, no chance does it come back 68, nor should it.

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