Any reason not to break this out? UPDATE: GRADE POSTED

ChrisH821 · September 6, 2016 2:55PM

I just picked this up and I plan to free it from its holder unless there is some reason I shouldn't. Apologies for relatively terrible pictures. It's actually a pretty attractive coin in hand, just has a few distractions but the luster is full. What are your thoughts?

UPDATE: Finally sent this in and the grade just posted. PCGS MS64! Will post TrueView when it's available.

BustHalfBrian · September 6, 2016 3:22PM

MS63, if I had to guess. I'd crack it if it were mine, but I don't collect vintage slabs.

Wabbit2313 · September 6, 2016 3:32PM

Looks like a recovered jewelry piece unless your images are funky. That is entirely possible with ACG holders. If it is not and there are not altered surfaces, MS62. (Or a scratch near the date)

Bochiman · September 6, 2016 4:01PM

Only reason is if you wanted to keep the ACG holder for some reason.

I, personally, don't have any need/desire to have one of those holders for any reason.

To me, and others, it is, at best, the same as raw. At worst, the holder is hiding something or making it more difficult to notice.

ricko · September 6, 2016 10:10PM

I would say 62 at best.... I am not a slab collector, so crack away... good luck with that.. Cheers, RickO

logger7 · September 6, 2016 11:47PM

You could try crossover; if PCGS doesn't do it ICG or Anacs.

gtstang · September 6, 2016 11:50PM

Is that a big scratch from Liberty's neck to the 8?

ChrisH821 · September 7, 2016 12:06AM

Originally posted by: gtstang

Is that a big scratch from Liberty's neck to the 8?

It is a scratch on the holder. The only thing I see that may details this coin is the rim bump on the reverse between states and of, not sure if it's bad enough or not. I am in agreement with the 62 crowd.

Wabbit2313 · September 7, 2016 12:16AM

Is that old solder and heat between the E and R? It would make sense with the damage to the rim on the reverse. (From some kind of mount on top and bottom of the coin)

CommemKing · September 7, 2016 12:44AM

I would undoubtedly crack it out and get it in a PCGS holder. That slab only reduces its value in my opinion.

messydesk · September 7, 2016 1:18AM

Hammer away! Looks MS62.

CoinRaritiesOnline · September 7, 2016 1:20AM

Originally posted by: CommemKing

I would undoubtedly crack it out and get it in a PCGS holder. That slab only reduces its value in my opinion.

I agree.

jerseycat101 · September 7, 2016 1:52AM

Barring any unseen issues with the surfaces of this coin, I wouldn't have a problem with it being in a 63 holder.

The reed marks in front of her nose and on her jawline, along with the chatter elsewhere, would likely preclude a higher grade.

keets · September 7, 2016 2:07AM

crack it out or leave it in the slab, it'll still be what it is, and if you send it to PCGS I doubt you will like what they say vs. whatever that ACG slab insert says.

ChrisH821 · September 7, 2016 2:32AM

Originally posted by: Wabbit2313

Is that old solder and heat between the E and R? It would make sense with the damage to the rim on the reverse. (From some kind of mount on top and bottom of the coin)

Just some funky color spot, no residue or anything

Originally posted by: CommemKing

I would undoubtedly crack it out and get it in a PCGS holder. That slab only reduces its value in my opinion.

I will get to cracking probably tonight when I have some time, hopefully I'll be able to get a few half decent pictures after it gets a soak in acetone. I'll keep the old ACG cert with it for posterity.

Originally posted by: keets

crack it out or leave it in the slab, it'll still be what it is, and if you send it to PCGS I doubt you will like what they say vs. whatever that ACG slab insert says.

I'd be happy with any mint state grade for what I have into it and it looks like a solid 2 to me. ACG was not conservative to say the least, which is why I have the assigned grade covered.

Wabbit2313 · September 7, 2016 2:41AM

LOL, they grade it MS65?! A $20000 coin bought for 100 bucks should tell anyone all they need to know! eBay Auction:

LindeDad · September 7, 2016 2:44AM

Be easier to wash that old dip off.

Wabbit2313 · September 7, 2016 2:46AM

That reverse rim whack will not make it even if there is no funny business on the surfaces.

seanq · September 7, 2016 2:49AM

That holder contributes no more to the value of your coin than a 2x2 flip. I whole heartedly suggest you crack it and submit the coin raw to your TPG of choice.

Sean Reynolds

lkeigwin · September 7, 2016 2:56AM

Edited to say, crack and submit.

Lance.

roadrunner · September 7, 2016 3:11AM

Originally posted by: CoinRaritiesOnline

Originally posted by: CommemKing

I would undoubtedly crack it out and get it in a PCGS holder. That slab only reduces its value in my opinion.

I agree.

Me too.

It's no worse off it were raw. In fact, you might get more interest in that coin raw than ACG'd. No downside...only potential upside.

ChrisH821 · September 7, 2016 3:34AM

Originally posted by: Wabbit2313

LOL, they grade it MS65?! A $20000 coin bought for 100 bucks should tell anyone all they need to know! eBay Auction:

That's the one, and more effort than I thought anyone would put into this. It probably won't end up in a pcgs holder unless I have other stuff to send in but it will likely end up in an album. I figured $100 wasn't too much to gamble with on this coin and I certainly won't find an unc locally for that price. Admittedly though, I didn't notice the no returns before I put in my bid. Anyhow, this is beyond the scope of my original post and as planned I will be releasing this coin from it's encasement.

BustHalfBrian · September 7, 2016 3:38AM

Originally posted by: lkeigwin
I wouldn't crack it to submit it to PCGS. Why pay $50 to have a $75 coin slabbed?

I would crack it if I wanted it raw. The holder adds no value.
Lance.

It's a 28-S, not a 23-S...

:-)

keets · September 7, 2016 5:07AM

I know we should judge the coin but ACG has its own history which is reliable and noteworthy. there was an old member, K6AZ, who had a personal vendetta against AH/ACG and would rail about same here whenever he had the chance. anyone who remembers him and paid attention to what he brought to light learned all anyone needs to know about these holdered coins --- they are not to be trusted even in-hand, let alone in an online auction.

Accugrade had its own grading standard and grading criteria. it is not unusual that the coins in these holders have problems, sometimes problems that can only be found when the coin is cracked out. good luck.

LindeDad · September 7, 2016 5:10AM

Originally posted by: keets

I know we should judge the coin but ACG has its own history which is reliable and noteworthy. there was an old member, K6AZ, who had a personal vendetta against AH/ACG and would rail about same here whenever he had the chance. anyone who remembers him and paid attention to what he brought to light learned all anyone needs to know about these holdered coins --- they are not to be trusted even in-hand, let alone in an online auction.

Accugrade had its own grading standard and grading criteria. it is not unusual that the coins in these holders have problems, sometimes problems that can only be found when the coin is cracked out. good luck.

Yep my run-in came back from PCGS as a altered mint mark key date.

clarkbar04 · September 7, 2016 5:13AM

I know of one 1926 buffalo nickel that was cracked out of an ACG MS65 holder and came back graded PCGS 66 at the end of last month. Deservedly so, I might add. (wasn't my coin but I saw it first hand)

CommemKing · September 7, 2016 5:20AM

I have had decent ACG to PCGS crackouts to crossover. Once had an ACG MS63DMPL 1884-O Morgan that I cracked and got a MS64DMPL at PCGS.

lkeigwin · September 7, 2016 5:28AM

Originally posted by: BustHalfBrian

Originally posted by: lkeigwin

I wouldn't crack it to submit it to PCGS. Why pay $50 to have a $75 coin slabbed?

I would crack it if I wanted it raw. The holder adds no value.

Lance.

It's a 28-S, not a 23-S...

:-)

LOL! So it is. I need new glasses.

Lance.

Wabbit2313 · September 7, 2016 5:36AM

Originally posted by: lkeigwin

Originally posted by: BustHalfBrian

Originally posted by: lkeigwin

I wouldn't crack it to submit it to PCGS. Why pay $50 to have a $75 coin slabbed?

I would crack it if I wanted it raw. The holder adds no value.

Lance.

It's a 28-S, not a 23-S...

:-)

LOL! So it is. I need new glasses.

Lance.

I thought you were spot on Lance with your value for a problem coin. Hope I am wrong.

Wabbit2313 · September 7, 2016 5:41AM

Originally posted by: CommemKing

I have had decent ACG to PCGS crackouts to crossover. Once had an ACG MS63DMPL 1884-O Morgan that I cracked and got a MS64DMPL at PCGS.

We all have a story like this, at least those who can spot a good coin whether holdered or not. Eventually, they had to get one right if even by accident.

The very common date morgans are somewhat close but when you start talking about value coins, not even a chance they will be right. I have an MS67 Peace dollar sitting right on my desk from these same jokers. I leave it there to remind myself just how terrible they were, for the most part. If this grade were right, the coins value would be 12 grand. I bought it for 25 bucks.

drwstr123 · September 7, 2016 5:47AM

I've had a few ACGs cross to PCGS.
One thing I learned is they are one heck of a hard slab to crack.

keets · September 7, 2016 7:15AM

but when you start talking about value coins, not even a chance they will be right.

if new members get nothing else from this thread, what Wabbit said here should be the take-away. and it isn't just ACG, all of the very, very minor TPG's seem to be able not to be able to grade correctly with a better coin or a higher grade, especially anything MS.

I was once chastised roundly by the membership for posting results of a Numistrust group of coins my now boss had been given to evaluate prior to purchase. we assessed them together and assigned a grade we felt would be reasonable for a purchase. with lower grades on key date coins, VF-XF, they were close enough for comfort. anything AU and MS they were most often overgraded or had slabbed a coin with problems. so it is with most of the TPG's.

PCGS and NGC offer us a safe haven.

mannie gray · September 7, 2016 9:21AM

Originally posted by: Wabbit2313

That reverse rim whack will not make it even if there is no funny business on the surfaces.

I agree--plus dip residue, otherwise looks 63,63+ but I don't think it will get into a PC3 holder.

Might get a 61 on a pity grade.

Wabbit2313 · September 7, 2016 9:34AM

I am still seeing issues at the top of the coin. I would love to see a closeup. Sure looks like residue from a mount or filled hole. Also, looks like heat was applied.

ChrisH821 · September 7, 2016 9:59AM

Well the coin has been released from its tomb. I soaked it in acetone which didn't seem to do anything so dabbed it with some ms70 and the weird color spots are no longer. This indicates that it was some sort of residue left on the coin or that transferred from the holder or something not natural since the original toning is intact. I'm not sure what it was but it's much better looking without it. I'll try to get a closeup of the area and the rim hit.

Sorry again, not great at coin photography.

ChrisH821 · September 7, 2016 11:18AM

Originally posted by: Wabbit2313

I am still seeing issues at the top of the coin. I would love to see a closeup. Sure looks like residue from a mount or filled hole. Also, looks like heat was applied.

Here are the closeups.

10000lakes · September 7, 2016 1:32PM

Originally posted by: drwstr123

I've had a few ACGs cross to PCGS.

One thing I learned is they are one heck of a hard slab to crack.

My one and only ACG slab also crossed to PCGS after being cracked out.

I don't remember exactly what I used to free it from the slab back in 2004, but I do recall

that the plastic is very hard.

I was happy with the down grade from 63 to 62.

Before

After

2ltdjorn · September 7, 2016 1:34PM

Originally posted by: CoinRaritiesOnline

Originally posted by: CommemKing
I would undoubtedly crack it out and get it in a PCGS holder. That slab only reduces its value in my opinion.

I agree.

worse case scenario I buy it in the early bird, and get a dark colored hat.

SurfinxHI · September 7, 2016 1:40PM

I've had decent luck on Acugrade coins, cracked out 4, same grades of higher at PCGS, and one a point downgrade. Altogether, pretty decent coins on occasion. Buy the coin......