Healthy ebay vent, got to get off my chest
Sandman70gt
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Listed this cleaned 1919s half on the bay for 445/bo. 
Guy makes a couple low ball offers, auto rejected, a few days in between, then offers 375. I sold it to him and immediately regretted it.
Checked listings, yep he cracked it and relisted it.
I could have done that, but thought better of it.
He'll probably make 500 on the flip.
Damn-
end of rant
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But if it was in fact cleaned at least your conscience should be clear. You don't want to be know as one of those eBay charlatans do you?
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
After the coin is paid for and out of your hands the best thing to do is move on and never look back. It was a problem coin that is now someone else's problem.
Yeah my conscience is clear and that's why I didn't sell it that way, sure would like 500 more in my pockets! Just dont want to be that guy.
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Assuming that it was in fact cleaned. Not always the case.
It was a problem coin. Color was off, I think it was a long ago clean, as it had some toning. I bought about 20 years ago, was let down when it came back as cleaned.
I guess @291fifth is right, move on and dont look back. Problem coin-now someones elses problem.
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You sold it for what it was after you sold it's not your worry. BTW why I don't buy raw coins on ebay.
This rant should take eBay out of the picture they did not do a thing, same would of happened if you sold anywhere.
Relisted coin
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
looks like a business model.
He can always fall back on the excuse that in his opinion the coin is not cleaned. Plenty of people on here disagree with PCGS opinion. I see the dishonesty in the crack out seller but they have an opinion and so does the future buyer... And the circle of life continues.
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
...... and then what if it ends up in a straight-graded holder someday? I'm not saying this one will, but stranger things have happened.
You can't fret too much about the future. It's easy to be upset when someone gets an upgrade that you tried for three times, flips the house you just sold for more money, or when your ex becomes rich, famous, or whatever......
Just try to make solid decisions based on the information in front of you and let the world take care of itself.
Others have said it but worth repeating.
A wise dealer once told me "Once it's sold and you were happy with the price received never look back".
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
I agree.
Looks like all his raw stuff is cleaned/problem coins, so this isn't his first rodeo. But like everything else on eBay, buyer beware.
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I see it as it's kinda like cherry-picking; you the seller, are asking for a predetermined amount. The (potential) buyer, may see something in the coin that you do not. The buyer will use the Best Offer to bring down the price to an amount that you, the seller, is agreeable to, and the transaction is made. What the buyer does with the coin is none of your business anymore, unless they return it back to you for some reason. Let it go and move on.
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Exactly!
once a coin is sold move on.
Best place to buy !
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In all my plus 35 years of being self-employed, there's two things I've learned:
when buying an item, I don't care and it's none of my business what the seller paid for it, as it has no bearing on my decision to purchase it.
when selling an item, I don't care and it's none of my business what the buyer does with it, as once it's out of my hands, you say goodbye to it.
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I just recently took a chance on one of his coins with a crappy picture. Instant boomerang and quickly refunded for what it's worth. The coin looked like a shot 58 or better in his pics but was harshly cleaned and puttied to hide it.
People buy stuff all the time I list as problem coins, then re-sell as good coins.
I'm just not going to do it, I like my reputation more than that
why I'm not rich, several other dealers I know that are schisters, always seem to kill it money wise with no conscience at all on the buying and selling side of thinks.
one here locally tried to buy a 79-cc GSA for 150 bucks along with the other 5 of them , thankfully the owner had sense enough to realize the 79 and 85 were better dates.
That is practically criminal.
Collector, occasional seller
Once coin is gone why worry .. only thing...wish you got more money for coin ?
I sold a very scarce AU/Details/Cleaned VAM, and the buyer cracked, and now in a problem free grade.
More irked about the how than the money. I doubled my money.
I might buy it back since it was recently discounted only a couple hundred above his purchase price.
Yes, sell it, get the money and move on and forget about it. Sometimes "cleaned" does not stay "cleaned." Someone cracks it out, submits it and gets a straight grade. It's the way things can work with getting coins graded. Crack out and re-submit is the game. It's not resubmit it in the same holder and expect a different result. The vast majority of the time you will get no change.
I had had 1797 large cent that was in the condition census for its Sheldon variety. It came back in a body bag as "corroded" because it had red corrosion on the reverese. I sold it raw in an EAC auction and got my money. A few years later someone else summitted it, PCGS graded it, and they did well in a major auction. It's the way it goes. There is nothing you can do about it.
I got my money in the EAC auction. That's all that matters to me.
I bought about 20 years ago, was let down when it came back as cleaned.
To me, this statement is that one that should be key to just letting it all go and not worrying about it.
You had it inhand, submitted, and were bummed it came back cleaned....so either you thought it would straight grade or you were still learning.
It's an opinion...sometimes based on fact, sometimes on what one thinks at the time.
Not saying the purchaser is a good guy doing what he is doing (cracking out problem coins, repeatedly, and selling as if no issues), but it certainly isn't worth harassing him on ebay nor stewing about him cracking out and making more.
A price was asked for, a price was agreed on, a price was paid. It is what it is.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
You really think that clunker will sell for $875? I don't.
I was finally able to look at the listing...1). your image looks a whole heck of a lot better 2). I kinda hope that he get hosed on it due to the lousy images on the listing 3). I guess we will see...huh?
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what's that next to the T on the obv? Strike through?
Ok, I'm home, reseeded my lawn, drank a few beers...feel better.
I sold the half cause I wanted money for my merc dime set, and I really dont want problem coins. I did buy it a long time ago, when I was new in collecting.
Yes the issue at 2 o'clock is a strike thru, or a gouge in planchet.
This coin is pretty rare at xf and above. So I was bummed when it came back cleaned. I thought it would, but took the chance anyway.
I was irritated that someone would do this, but should have not been surprised. Some people or more driven by money than morals.
So I sat on it a long time and finally decided to rid myself of it.
Through this I have learned alot.
Got to learn from mistakes and experiences!
I wanted it gone-it's gone. Agreed on a price and got paid.
Let it go, move on, don't look back and buy more mercury dimes! LOL
I appreciate all of your comments, and knowledge and experience.
I have bought coins from some of you that commented on this, and appreciate your honesty and integrity.
Thanks to all of you. I feel better getting it all off my chest.
Edited for the spelling due to beers.
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What he does with the coin after you sell it isn't your concern or business. The only exception to this may be if your sell an unmarked counterfeit coin as such and it is subsequently being sold as the real deal.
Of course, you could buy it back... for less than you sold it for... then, with an honest description, sell it again and make ANOTHER profit...
Cheers, RickO
Doesn't it also have a big, honking gouge between the R and T of LIBERTY? If so, then PCGS had their choice of listing problems on that holder and chose one while ignoring the other.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
**Yes the issue at 2 o'clock is a strike thru, or a gouge in planchet.
This coin is pretty rare at xf and above. So I was bummed when it came back cleaned. **
Frankly that mark, whether mint made or PMD, probably bothers me more than the cleaning. Yes it's pretty rare at this grade level, and the coin with an old cleaning that's acquired some tone may still have a home for album collectors, but I think even many of them would find that mark distracting.
We appreciate you not being "that guy"
I sent a message informing seller of inappropriate description. I don't expect a pleasant response. Hate to see some unsuspecting young numismatic spend their newspaper route money in this.
Love It! Thanks for sharing. To us YN's I can learn along with you.
It will never sell, at least in the holder it had something going for it. The coin was worth VF money at best, cleaned, no luster, weird look. Why some dealers steer clear of all problem coins.
It appears that the seller has ended that auction and relisted it with a more appropriate desciptiion.
A little slice of justice served, at the beckoning of you fine people that contacted him.
Thanks, case closed
Sandman
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You could buy it from him then return it and leave negative feedback saying the coin is cleaned.
relisted item;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-S-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-Rare-extra-fine-condition-/292122935572?hash=item4403e24114:g:EPUAAOSwDiBZHxL-
there is no mistaking that "mark" on the OBV...what is the FH that he is referring to Full Hand? No way! Full Head? Wrong series.
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Naw. I think he'll be lucky to break even.
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Look at it like this- Over- Done with- Next.
What does this have do with eBay? Get over it. Your kidding....
You got your money and your price - not your business what he does with it. If he thinks he can get more for it raw that's his call...and risk.
He may be a problem coin specialist and likely knows how to sell these. CW Trends is $900, he has it for much less. Many people buy these for their albums don't care about slabs or the sticker game. He probably just picked u off - good show for him - just learn to be a good sport and move on. This is a good lesson on the coin business.
I once shared a table with a problem coin specialist. He made a ton of money off this stuff picking them off eBay, Teletrade but either left them in problem slab or described problem on 2x2 holder. His goal was to get somewhere between cost and retail. One coin he sold for $3600 and said he picked off Teletrade for $800. Amazing market on these and he knew how operate his business model.
I can see it a mile away....BUFFED!
I recently purchased a high priced coin (for me it's high priced >3000) that I'm pretty darn sure was cleaned in the past, not nearly as bad the OP's coin but cleaned nun the less.
It is in a PCGS holder and has a CAC green bean on'er and I still pulled the trigger on a coin that was cleaned?
Be careful, you are treading in dangerous waters, pulling the curtain back on the secret cabal.
Ebay is secretly owned by FedEx and USPS, because they make more money than anyone else just shipping all the junk all over the country. They in turn are secretly owned by one of top tier grading services that grade, encapsulate, get listed on ebay, bought, cracked, sold raw, and reencapulated, lather rinse repeat.
May we see the evidence of cleaning?